Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Please provide evidence

Ah we shouldn’t ask for evidence thereof, the poster has apparently backed up his post on this hundreds of times before…I’ve never seen it but best not ask any difficult questions

Yeah but, firstly, Japan has certain “advantages” geographically if deterring migration and refugees is a priority. Their only near neighbours are tightly-controlled China and even more tightly controlled North Korea — and of course prosperous South Korea and the furthest eastern reaches of a Russia. It is simply a really hard place to get to for those without much means. Squeeze Japan into the Mediterranean — where Europe, Africa and Asia all meet — and that would really tell the story of the robustness of their policies on refugees and migrants. It’s easy to point to the brilliance of a system which doesn’t actually have to confront the same reality — it’s easy to say that they don’t have a sense of “misplaced charity” when they only have proximity to major powers, which are either highly controlled or prosperous. The outbreak of a major mechanised war on the Korean Peninsula or perhaps some conflict arising from Chinese expansionism regarding Taiwan might well change that some day — if refugees can even escape that is.

This is not to mention the fact that Japan’s social and economic model, which has relied on what Europeans would likely consider an unhealthy working culture (“karoshi” as the Japanese now call it — “death by work”), is now facing the pressure of demographic changes. Their model relies on supreme productivity of its native citizens, but this has come at the price of a declining population and stagnant wages versus the cost of raising children. This isn’t to dismiss outright the many achievements of the Japanese model, but it’s a hard one to just selectively emulate for Europe and there are pretty significant contextual differences.

As for calling Covid an overspent excuse — well, this just isn’t realistic. To disregard as mere excuses the long lasting warps and inflexions caused by the most significant global shutdown in history, whether they are economic / social / political, is disregarding reality. It has had a clear impact on refugee movement and Ireland is not the only country experiencing that.

Then dont post a reply . You cannot even backup what you post and refute factual links !! You obviously have a problem with facts when they don't suit .

"What you have missed is that half of the posters cheering this on are not Irish or not living in Ireland and many just disappear never to be seen again."

True, or that there may be representatives or allies of Immigration NGOs. These same NGOs have a definite financial reason to keep the crisis going, after all NGO's cost you and me €5 billion a year. Now some of them do work in areas like health etc that the state has abdicated responsibility for, but there is a lot of duplication and hiving off taxpayers money. Some might be uncharitable and say grifters gotta grift, but I couldn't possibly comment. Or that others on here could be represenatives of foreign funds who buy up property here and make vast sums from housing asylum seekers. In the 6 months from September 2022 to February of this year the government paid out €9.6 million a month. That was for non Ukrainian asylum seekers only.

This information was printed in last weeks Sunday Times by John Mooney. It's behind a paywall so according to Boards rules I can't provide a link to it. If you really want to see everything that's in it Google Sunday Times "Landlords earn €10 million a month on asylum seekers." You'll see that the former ESB building in East Wall costs taxpayers €1.3 million a month. There is a lot of money to be made, and you'll always find those that will try and get their hands on it.

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The lies again about 5bn to NGOs.

The 5 billion includes thousands of schools, thousands of disability day centres, thousands of disability residential centres, many community centre, many sports clubs.....

Sounds like a huge buildup of immigrants in Libya heading to Italy, up to 500k by some accounts

They will fine 20k any migrants that are not accepted under the quota agreement . I wonder has Finland signed up to this like Ireland did ?

"The lies again about 5bn to NGOs."

Actually, that figure is from a Sunday Business Post Article by Collette Sexton from April 23rd 2017 - look up her name and this headline: "More than half of NGOs' €10.5 Billion funding comes from the state", I can't provide a link to a paywalled article as it's against Boards rules. It quotes a report from Benefacts, the body that was created to promote transparency of NGOs. That figure is now out of date.

The Benefacts report of 2021 states that government funding was €6.2 Billion in state funding. https://bfphil.madeincontext.com/insights/reports/2021/

I realise for some that facts and transparency are difficult so they seek to obfuscate and hide them wherever possible. Perhaps this is one reason why funding for Benefacts was withdrawn in 2022 and it was forced to close down. Unfortunately for some, their reports were made public and are still available to view.

We have gone through this before on the site

The 5 billion includes

Sectors

1  Arts, culture, media

heritage and visitor attractions

media,

film

museums and libraries

2  Recreation, sports

sports organisations

recreational clubs,

societies

agricultural fairs

3  Education, research

primary education

secondary education

education support

research

adult and continuing education

pre-primary education

third-level education

vocational and technical education

4  Healthhealth services and health promotion

mental health services

hospitals

addiction support

residential care centres

hospices

residential mental health services

5  Social services

pre-school childcare

family support services

services for people with disabilities

services for older people

youth services

services for Travellers and ethnic minorities

emergency relief services

homelessness services

6  Local development, housing

local development

job creation

social housing

social enterprise

sheltered housing

7  Environment

group water schemes

animal welfare

environmental enhancement

environmental sustainability

8  Advocacy, law, politics

advocacy

civil and human rights

legal services

politics

9  Philanthropy, voluntarism

fundraising

philanthropy

voluntarism

10  International

international development

international affiliation

11  Religion

religious associations

places of worship

dioceses,

parishes

12  Professional, vocational

professional or sector representative bodies

trade unions,

employer organisations

chambers of commerce

Government ministers are concerned about high hotel prices affecting Ireland's reputation.

Laughable really , they have rented every single room they can get their hands on (over 50% in some counties) n the remaining hotels left have no competition. Who could a guessed what'd happen!

An audit of any one of these organisations would soften the cough of a lot of the regular "contributors" of this thread

All it needs is the political will from the likes of the public accounts committee and things would change rapidly.

The root would all lead back to Rodric o'Gormans department and will no doubt expose some of the gombeens that are benefitting from this charade too.

Looking at the house of cards over in RTE at the moment and things move quickly once you scratch the surface.

Follow the money....

I think the government might have even stopped producing the Benefacts Report for some reason....