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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2023 ( Munster And Leinster Championships,Liam McCarthy Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Doubling down on the hubris doesn't help. As I often say, I know it's hurling and there's no more hateful sport and sports followers in the world. It's not enough to support a team, you must hate someone else. There is no victory, there is only vengeance. I get that.

    But Limerick's Munster championship does not suggest we will hammer any team. And if Tipperary had gotten through today who's to say they would not be a very different prospect next day out? As Eamon Cregan advised Ger Loughnane a few decades back, some humility would be no load.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    "5 or fewer" - fair play. A lesser man would've got that wrong!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    But are people not entitled to comment on Galway? Or is there a moratorium we should know about?

    As a neutral observer today, Galway were dire. Very nearly found a way to lose to a team with a horrendous record. Just like they couldn't beat Dublin. Happy days of course if somehow getting within 3/4 points of Limerick floats your boat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭farmerval


    A few reputations took a beating today, Liam Cahill's and the strength of Munster hurling. Logically both provincial third placed teams were beaten by the losing provincial finalists e.g. a team notionally a place above them this year. However, the early rounds in Munster looked miles ahead of Leinster but the end result is that both third placed teams were well beaten.

    Liam Cahill has had two very flat and tactically poor outings from 6 games. After last year in Waterford that's a worry for Tipp.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    When one dreams of who would be the perfect opposition to beat in an All Ireland Final Clare would be second on my Galway list! Always plenty of edge between the two teams. Tipp would obviously be out in front but that's done and dusted now for another year. Kilkennys recent wins probably have them pushing Clare a close second. Galway vs Cork has fizzled out quite a bit.

    Still if Galway manage a miracle to topple Limerick an All Ireland Final against Clare/Kilkenny will be either dream or a nightmare!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭McBain11


    Indeed ye do, 28 huge victories and unless you're 139 years old and posting on boards, chances are you have seen how many of those victories? 6 would be my guess and I'm being hugely generous (most likely just the 4). 6 victories in the past 50 years iirc.

    I'll say it again, because it's hard to believe for a county who think of themselves as perennial winners. 6 victories in 50 odd years.

    I have a 10 year old nephew who has experienced nearly as many Limerick all Ireland victories as the hardest of hardcore 50 year old Tipp fans.

    I'll be genuine once more, in that last 20 minutes today, I shouted Tipp on. I felt filthy, but it was for my county. I knew it meant a definite all Ireland final appearance again if Tipp somehow drunkenly stumbled to victory. Alas, it wasn't to be. Limerick will have to do it the hard way if at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Munster hurling's reputation took no beating today. The second placed team in Leinster was hanging on at the end against the third placed team in Munster which itself won just one game, and lost to the fifth placed team.

    Conversely, the second placed team in Munster (who lost to the third placed team in Munster) destroyed Leinster's third team without even playing well.

    This suggests greater strength in depth in Munster as we suspected. Nothing to see here, except maybe the exact poverty of Leinster's third team. We didn't see that coming.

    .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,774 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    As a Galway man, I think Clare will win the All Ireland. I see them overpowering KK and beating Limerick in the final. They seem to have a very tight/committed/gutsy/skilful squad.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Unfortunately Limerick 2021 is a foreign country. On current form and with missing players, we'll be hoping for faithful days indeed rather than those fateful ones like '09.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,382 ✭✭✭Robson99


    If we wer beaten by Tipp today worrying about how much Limerick would beat them by would be the furthest thing on my mind. If it was a neutrals comment fair enough but it stank of sourness

    I didnt say Galway were good.... the butchered the guts of 3-10 while still having periods of the game where the ball to the inside forwards was complete muck

    And where did I say getting within 3/4 points of Limerick would float my boat. I never mentioned Limerick at all so stop talking rameash



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,318 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    I think the Munster teams have to 'peak' earlier in the season to try to get out of Munster. It is quite hard to maintain the levels of performnace for a few months and possibly why Tip were so flat. Clare were largely poor and making rather uncharasteric mistakes too, particularly in the first half, but Dublin simply don't have the quality I think to take advantage of it.

    In Leinster, Galway and Kilkenny are basically qualifying without ever having to reach such levels.

    I'm not saying Munster hurling is necessarily better than Leinster as a result, but I do think that it is a major factor.

    Limerick have not been putting in 'peak' performances this year though - maybe the mileage is catching up on them or maybe they are going to do it now and will win another All Ireland - I think it's the latter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    So bizzare that anyone would care about whether a province is better than another one. Only Munster people seem obsessed with this.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,023 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    Speaking to a few Galway’s fans after todays game and don’t think any of them would agree that they beat Tipp well. They were the better side yes but Tipp played far worse than the Waterford game and yet Galway could have been robbed at the end.

    Finding the constant Munster vs Leinster jibes quite tiring to be honest. The top 3 in each province are there on merit and generally can beat their counterpart in the other province on a given day. However, it’s also fair to say that it’s harder to come third in Munster than it is in Leinster.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,318 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    The first poster to mention this today was from Dublin - and mentioned it several times.

    Not that it really matters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,318 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Simply to point out the fact that " only Munster people are obsessed with that' isn't exactly accurate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭McBain11


    Indeed, why I'm exceptionally wary of Galway in an all Ireland semi and see it as a real 50/50, unlike the bookies.

    You seem to be painting my comments as some sort of Limerick are unbeatable schtick, which was never once said. I fear Galway and if Limerick somehow get that done (I agree btw, I think Limerick are running on fumes, but are some team and still getting things done), I really fear Clare in an all Ireland final if that was how it all panned out (I don't fear KK as much).

    I'll reiterate though, I don't for a second think Limerick are certs for all Ireland glory. I think there's little in it between the final four. I never got a second thought in the same way regards this Tipp team though, who are completely harmless. I'm one of many Limerick fans who felt grubby this evening half hoping Tipp would get it done. It would have been a superb result for Limerick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    Clare for the win now, I think.

    I think we only beat them in the semi- last year because they were drained from the Munster Final.

    They'll want to avenge that, and they're good enough to do it.

    But mostly they'll want to do it as a way to clip Limerick, and I think they're good enough to do that too. The magnitude of today's scoreline, they're not in a bad place after this year's MF at all.

    Galway are at nothing.

    I think we would need absolutely everyone to be 100% fit, to have a shout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    On the contrary, it has been mentioned by several Leinster people this evening. Other comments are only by way of reply. The guy from Dublin was nearly angry not because of his county losing but over the Leinster-Munster thing. Strange.

    But if you had read the thread you'd know this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭farmerval


    The second placed team in Leinster were probably 10-12 points better than Tipp today, as a Tipp man that pains me but it is true.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭spurshero


    All the experts on here that are certain of a limerick victory v galway should take the free 50 percent on there money . 1 to 2 limerick . Sure what can go wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,382 ✭✭✭Robson99




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    The Munster-Leinster thing is nauseating but your claim about beating counterparts "any any given day" (whatever that actually means) is not clear.

    Limerick came third in Munster in 2018 and won the All Ireland. Cork came third in Munster in 2022 and reached the All Ireland final. In 2019 Dublin came third in Leinster and lost to a Joe McD team, and generally that province's third team has had very limited success.

    Even today Munster's third team were poor but Leinster's second team struggled in the end to win, while Leinster's third team were destroyed. There's clear evidence (and privately we all know) that Munster is stronger in depth. Obviously the fate of the top two in the All Ireland series is a parallel argument as that doesn't measure strength in depth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    I'm sure those who are actually certain will appreciate that pearl of wisdom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Still, there was only a point in it after 70 odd minutes. Sure didn't they hurl the socks off Kilkenny for most of the second half too but that was quickly forgotten in the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    Cork didn't get to the 2022 All Ireland, it was 2021 with no round robin, bit rich you calling that nauseating given your bizarre obsession with St Kierans college...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Happyilylost


    Cork did what in 2022 or is there a typo I'm missing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Using your logic, KK beat Galway who beat Tipp who beat Clare and drew Limerick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Got to QF in 2022 and lost to Galway. Got to AI Final in 2021 v Limerick and got destroyed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Sorry, I stand corrected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Not a typo,but an error. They reached the All Ireland final in 2021 and came third in Munster the following year, which funnily enough makes the same argument the opposite way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    How were Limerick poorly off form?

    They didnt play badly on the day. Looked to be very little between the top 4 munster in the first 3 rounds. Draws and single point games.

    Tipps form has completely fallen away since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Funny how you're the one who has to mention that school in the month of June yet I'm "obsessed". Just as well I don't take you seriously.

    And Cork beat Kilkenny in 2021 which must've galled you big-time! Funny though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Limerick were "poorly off-form" because the argument doesn't work otherwise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭hurlaway


    Nobody apart from yourself takes you seriously



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Galway will give Limerick their toughest test yet. I'd say they've been chomping at the bit for them since last summer. Today was about getting over the line



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    I see you left Tipperary out of your analysis.

    Tipp got out of Munster winning their first game and have subsequently failed to beat Cork, Limerick, Waterford and Galway.

    I cant see how any county knocked out can say they deserve to be in the last 4.

    Tipp and Dublin had their 3rd place wildcards and both deserved to be beaten today.

    Can't see any arguments for Waterford, Cork or Wexford being in the top 4.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,153 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    I'm not even from Kilkenny 😅 your rants on that thread aren't something easily forgotten.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    I have a slight fancy for Galway there. Limerick have been a great team, but a lot of those Limerick players are five years on the road now. This Limerick team is showing signs of wear and tear imo. Galway have the physicality to deal with Limerick as well. As a neutral i'm hoping for a Galway and Clare all Ireland final. I think all non Limerick and Kilkenny fans are really!

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Well Cork were a puck of the ball away, from beating both Clare and Limerick and getting out of Munster. With the underage talent coming through, i'd be confident that we'll win a senior all Ireland within the next five years. Waterford and Wexford are in a bad way alright though.

    Hopefully both those counties will improve in the next couple of years. Wexford in particular have a fine history and tradition, yet they've only won one all Ireland since 1968 and that was back in 1996. For a county who've produced players like the Rackards and Tony Doran, Wexford really should be doing a lot better imo.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,296 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What do you mean "probably".

    We saw exactly how much better they were and it was 2 points better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    You bring up the Leinster Munster thing more than anyone though, it’s like watching children bickering and ruins the thread.

    Post edited by Charlie69 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 832 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    Due to the fact that currently there's really only 2 very good leinster teams just getting to the Munster final is becoming a virtual guarantee of reaching the all Ireland semi final. However finishing third in Munster leaves a team on a very difficult situation with either galway or kilkenny awaiting in the quarter finals. The sooner a third strong leinster team emerges the better for the competition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭spurshero


    Last year is history . For me limerick were lucky to beat Clare in Munster final . Also thought they were lucky enough v cork in precious game which was knockout essentially . No Hannon or Finn . I don’t think there quiet as good as they were . Im not saying they will be beaten but I do think there beatable . Time will tell .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭spurshero


    All this Munster and Leinster stuff is nauseating . It is what it is for now anyway ! The best team will win all Ireland regardless of what province there from . If ya can’t come top 3 outta 5 you are not good enough to win it .



  • Registered Users Posts: 463 ✭✭Coolcormack1979


    Colm bonnar was out of his depth with tipp.for christ sake even after 3 months in charge of tipp he couldn’t call out some of the players by name.

    we got what we deserved last nite.nothing.Galway gave us a good 2point hammering.truth be told if the matties won by 10 it was a true reflection on the game.Tipp tactically inept.how they stayed looking at Barrett was unbelievable.he wasn’t right at all.

    cahill got it wrong in starting Callinan who owes us nothing but is not a starter.

    tipp have come a bit of a way since last yr but have a long way to go,and truth be told we don’t have an abundance of fresh new young and fast hurlers coming trough.

    Post edited by Coolcormack1979 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Dublin really have gone backwards from that 2011-2013 period. They were close to making the breakthrough under Anthony Daly. Wexford did win a Leinster title in 2019, and only narrowly lost to a Tipp team who went on to win the all Ireland that year. Offaly hurling is finally showing signs of revival as well, so hopefully in another few years the Leinster championship will be as competitive as it's Munster equivalent.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Not at all Tipperary this year were hugely improved from last year. They made the right call in getting rid of Colm Bonnar imo.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Ye had 3 weeks build up and prep for what for all ye knew could be a knock out game played in the finest hurling pitch in the country against us. Ye didnt beat us.

    So your post is just pure rabid fantasy and utterly classless after a Tipp defeat.

    Maybe take a leaf out of your manager and players book and show even a tiny bit of class after a game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Hugely improved 😂😂😂😂🤣 won 1 game… drew 2 others and lost 2.. not going to bother counting Offaly game.. even if the Tipp players thought ‘‘twas an all Ireland final the way they put Offaly to the sword… but I suppose in that game Callanan got a few more goals so he got to boost his championship goal record… disappointed with Tipp this year tbh… they had an early conclusion to their year last yr… I wouldn’t blame colm bonnar.. he had no luck.. none… I thought tipp would be fresh and reinvigorated this yr… things fell off a cliff after effort against LK… very surprising tbh…



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