Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

Which is a crime under existing legislation. No need for new legislation to handle that one.

That doesn't say anything about morality. It says whatever the law is at present is right.

We know the Incitement to Hatred Act is ineffective and very difficult to prosecute under.

Guy in Dublin recently called for The Jews to be wiped out on Facebook. Nothing done.

Again you are showing a lack of understanding of what you are talking about. Incitement to hatred is not necessarily about serious calls for violence.

Let's just imagine someone kicks the **** out of you this weekend, while shouting 'die ****' and then goes out every weekend doing the same thing to different people outside of gay bars. Or stands outside a known gay area with a plackard saying ' kill all gays ' and does it every weekend.

Do you think that could be a hate crime? Assaulting someone based entirely on their sexual orientation? possibly a hate crime?

Noone is stopping anyone from just hating gays. that will be allowed.

hope that helps 😊

You’re not referenced in the legislation? The legislation refers to the protected characteristic of sexual orientation, it doesn’t refer to specific sexual orientation. This may be what’s causing the confusion and why you expect specific examples which I cannot provide you with. For starters the legislation applies to everyone in Irish society, it doesn’t just specifically protect you because you’re gay. It protects everyone on the basis of the grounds mentioned.

Your wanting to zone in on one particular ground to ask for specific examples of how you can be abused is, to put it mildly - weird. Why you think anyone would spend any time at all dreaming up ways to be abusive to you, is weird. That’s why I can’t give you examples, I’m not even trying to. I’m not interested in appeasing your persecution complex.

The purpose of the proposed legislation isn’t just to deal with people who incite violence and hatred against anyone, it’s to address the specific grounds on which their motivations for doing so are founded, and to protect everyone from harm who shares those characteristics in common.

Personally speaking, I can see far more contentious issues ahead that I would be far more concerned with, than your perceived persecution on the basis of expressing ideas that really there aren’t too many people who give a fcuk.

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I say it’s weird, because it IS weird.

You’re looking for examples of what anyone can say to you today that they could be convicted for under the proposed legislation, when the point isn’t about protecting you because you’re gay, it’s about protecting everyone in Irish society from attacks motivated by prejudice and discrimination against individuals or groups of people on the specific grounds referred to in the legislation.

That’s why I made the point to you earlier that the victims you referred to weren’t necessarily homosexuals, that was just the motivation or the ground upon which they were attacked, or abused, or threatened. Those criteria for criminal offences don’t currently exist in legislation, which is what the proposed legislation intends to do. It’s intent is not to make it easier for you to don the mantle of victimhood.

If someone targeted gay people, by walking around the.streets wearing a placard stating ' all gays should.be killed'

Or let's get away from your personal part, if someone tried to start a movement stating that all disabled people should be either killed/or locked up forever away from society. And that person attempted to get a following of people that believe that.

do you think perhaps there should be legislation that would cover that? Or is that kind of.behaviour acceptable?

It’s absolutely a huge stretch. For starters you have to begin by imagining anyone would give a fcuk, then you’d have to imagine that anyone would give a fcuk about you personally being in possession of such material, then you’d have to imagine anyone would think you could only be in possession of such material for nefarious purposes…

And by the time you’ve worked yourself up into that state, you’re being paranoid about being targeted as though anyone actually IS out to get you.

Is pointless nonsensical one liners a hate crime or just trolling?

Is that not a crime as things stand?