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RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,282 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Granted - usual reason for it to be done is to hide it from tax man.

    But it could also mean eg back in 1960s there were under the counter payments to footballers to avoid FA rules about maximum wage. Not sure of their exact tax status!

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭valoren


    It's indicative of a lack of self-awareness on Tubridys part. If you were in a job where you're averaging half a million euro a year and you are, subjectively, not very good at that job then you would be aware that you've got it good. He is surely not deaf to criticisms about his broadcasting skill. As such, since your remuneration is disclosed publicly, then, in the interests of protecting yourself you'd make damn sure there is nothing going on that would potentially jeopardise your position and remuneration. It perhaps reeks of a sense of entitlement and delusion in that agreeing to the arrangement matched Tubridys assessment of his worth. Reputation is everything. It is worth more than money and once one is lost it is difficult to recover. You see that happening already with no one supporting his statements. He blew his reputation for the sake of a third of a million. He knew what the arrangement was and was happy to go along with duping the public via the false reported figures.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,448 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Suprised U2 didn't come out in support of him, oh wait...



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭valoren




  • Registered Users Posts: 19,983 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Unless he was there 183 days that year he is tax resident in Ireland



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,426 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Definitely has psychopathic traits,fairly common,but he would think he's worth every penny,and the best thing since sliced Brennan's.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,470 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    What should come out of all this is that if you want to work for Rte, then you become an rte employee. None of this 1 man company nonsense, billing rte for your services so you can limit your tax.

    Take your big wage but pay proper tax on it like the rest of us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,771 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    It would cost RTE more to hire the likes of the very high earners (Tubs/Pat Kenny) as employees rather than have them as contractors which is the current model.

    If Tubs was an RTE employee, he'd have to be paid that money until he reached retirement date. With contractors, they can choose not to renew their contracts and get rid of them much sooner (and thus cheaper).



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    That's the theory but in practice they are treating them like employees in terms of tenure.

    Contractors wages with unofficial permanent tenure is a great deal for the "stars".

    If the contractors were actually employees then the wages would have to be more modest. RTE could then do what it should be doing - an incubator for Irish talent. Experienced employees would have a choice of security at RTE for a modest wage or play the commercial field for higher stakes and wages.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc



    You seem the have forgotten that Frontline show that resulted in Higgins being gifted the presidency in 2011. Other members of its staff were not so lucky and did not have their contracts renewed at the time. RTE knew that Kenny's audience was an RTE audience rather than a Pat Kenny audience. Kenny was smart enough to realise that he was not indispensable but the economic conditions were not good in 2013.

    Much the same RTE audience argument could be applied to the LLS. After Gay Byrne left and Pat Kenny took over. Kenny tried to do a good job with it but he's more current affairs than light entertainment. It would have been really interesting to see what Gerry Ryan would have made of it. However, it was given to Tubridy and it just continued to lose viewers. Fewer viewers mean less advertising.

    Regards...jmcc



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,449 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You do not have to do something illegal to get sacked. In contract law there is usually standard legalise standardized by employers in contracts like this that cannot be removed.

    I would be surprised that some of these clauses where not included in RT's contract. Mainly the big one is not carrying out any action that will cause lega issues for your employer. RT has cause his employer to publish misleading information with others in the organisation. It's immaterial that it was in a contract he partook in a scheme that in many organisations would be considered on a par with an attempt to defraud his employer.

    Tubridy would be covered by UK/ Irish/ EU tax agreement's. These make you tax residents in one country and allow for free trade of goods and services. It unlikely he would have personal tax issues where he might have an issue is if VAT was appropriate to the service. But it was a UK company that received a payment for a service from an Irish company and an Irish company that received a payment from a UK company.

    Where he might have an issue is over his status as a contractor in Ireland. The revenue commissioners could look at his company's and see were these payments ( remember there were previous ones as well) used to reinforce his status as a contractor as opposed to an employee of RTE. If they were he and RTE could have a significant tax liability

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,282 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Thats now how sports contracts are structured, even for players paying paye type taxes in UK. They are fixed term contracts. I wonder whats different.

    Alternatively the employee contract could be structured with a much lower salary amount and bonus payments based on shows presented / viewers / advertising.

    Thats just me throwing out ideas if they did want to go down that route.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,147 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    Yeah. That would've been illegal under fa rules. Really only semantics but if tubs has declared it he's legally sound at least.

    Though that UK diversion only seems to have been for 20 & 21 he's been getting extra since 17 - that seems to be getting lost.

    Tubs is getting most of the ire on here at least, fair enough, but whoever knew & authorised this in rte should really be bearing the brunt I think. Probably won't happen though as they're only a name most have heard in the last few days, no public persona like tubs to associate to the outrage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,878 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    They could use fixed term contracts and pay a more conservative salary.

    ETA - @odyssey06 got there before me!



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,282 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I think the RTE side of the deal is what PAC will be going after.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    I can remember a few years ago Joe Duffy complaining on air that he does not get sick pay. My first thought was you cheeky fooker, you are paying less tax so you don't need sick pay. Are other NK clients who are contractors thinking like this?



  • Registered Users Posts: 579 ✭✭✭batman75


    Tubridy's initial statement on the extra monies paid is as tone deaf as they come. It reeks of entitlement and high handedness blaming corporate governance at RTE and completely absolving himself of any possible responsibility. In a sense his subsequent statement is rendered pointless and shows a delayed realisation that his reputation is in trouble. I would argue it's now destroyed in the eyes of the public. His own doing. In a sense his initial statement merely highlights how intellectually bereft he actually is. Which makes his pay even more annoying. Gerry Ryan shared many of Tubridy's characteristics but at least Gerry had intellectual depth and was more tuned in to the public mood and far shrewder in most respects.

    What's equally tragic about Tubridy is he got a foot in the door through connections not ability. So someone who may have been talented, charming and charismatic never got a chance due to not having the right connections. This is a PR disaster for RTE. Bad enough they were overpaying him to begin with and then we hear of additional payments undeclared in his reported annual salary which PER YEAR is almost double the average national wage.

    If Tubridy had a percent of moral fibre he would return the 345k to RTE but of course he doesn't. He is an entitled, arrogant, well connected pompous git whose view of his own worth far exceeds reality. I feel sorry for the good people in RTE. I like RTE for their current affairs coverage and sports docs like the Liam Brady and Kevin Moran type programs.

    The first step to recovering public trust is to have a complete and unobstructed review of operations at Montrose. Then restructure the payments of the top 'stars' downwards with some off set for ratings so if your numbers are increasing/decreasing your wage is proportionately adjusted. Most importantly find someway to punish those who engaged in hoodwinking us the license fee payers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    Can they not be employed on fixed term contracts?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Very hard to try to get any sense out of a good Karen who can’t see what The great Ryan can do no wrong, best to ignore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,878 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    He has enough talent to be employed by Channel 4 and UTV.

    Tubs? Not so much ...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 891 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    @Bass Reeves wrote: "I would be surprised that some of these clauses where not included in RT's contract. Mainly the big one is not carrying out any action that will cause lega issues for your employer. RT has cause his employer to publish misleading information with others in the organisation. It's immaterial that it was in a contract he partook in a scheme that in many organisations would be considered on a par with an attempt to defraud his employer."

    In fairness, I don't think RTE can legitimately blame Tubridy for RTE deciding to hide payment details since they themselves freely went along with the scheme and hid the payments.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Think that Tubridy also tried to break into US TV. Didn't work out. That's a seriously competitive market compared to the Dublin media village.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭glenfieldman


    He knew that his salary was incorrect, therefore he stole



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    The money that all these people are on is obscene .... they are afterall only PART TIME workers .... if they were in any other industry they'd be paid based on the number of hours they work .... Tubridy is on 7 and a quarter hours but he paid better than anyone in the country as far as I know ... he does not deserve the money he gets for the number of hours he does ...

    RTE need to set a base rate per hour for the employees and contractors just like it is in every other sector .... let's be generous and give him 100 per hour .... then he'd get 725 per week .... that is a good deal for a 7 and a quarter hour week .... even too generous at that ....

    After this RTE can no longer justify these guys' ridiculous salaries for short jobs whether contracted or not ... Pat Kenny was once on near a cool million a year .... he was on a similar workload to Tubbers ... doing the LLS and later the Frontline plus a radio show ....

    Remember that IRA fella then attacked Kenny on the Frontline ?? .... Do not agree with the cause of disso republicanism but this guy had a point regarding Kenny's obscene salary .... his typical disso CIRA/RIRA mad man waving a shillelagh type rant was not the most effective way of getting the message across but the message about Kenny's salary was correct ....

    Why and when exactly was the time that broadcasters and TV/radio personalities gotten such ridiculous money to do an easy job?? Why has society decided to reward these clowns as the elite and most well paid of society?? ... brain surgeons or cancer specialists they are not .... these types do easy work that requires not much skill and work that is not important ... if all chatshows and radio shows disappeared the world would still go on and they would not be missed .... it is time that the status these guys receive is re-evaluated and they are paid by the number of hours they do and not given the obscene money they currently get .... these people's pay is an insult to those who study long and hard to be in essential professions .... essential is one thing Tubbers and his ilk never were ...



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    This picture is the one I will always remember that defines Tubridy best .... he looks silly ... OTT costumes ... OTT 'child-friendly' Christmas persona .... ridiculous ... but laughing all the way to the bank ...

    During his tenure he has forced very mediocre modern music, reality TV stars with no talent and cliched vulgar comedy at us .... while telling us how 'lucky' we are to watch such 'treats' .... meanwhile he blocked just about everything else .... it seems clear that he and the terrible acts he promoted down the years are all in this money grabbing game sharing the spoils and blocking everyone else .... it is time to end this farce ....

    PS: ... when I first saw Tubridy dressed up as in above picture I could not stop laughing for a full hour ... but the reality is the laugh is on us ...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Very true ... these types of pictures of Tubridy on the toy show down the years prove exactly what you said ... laugh all you like but we the tax payer are paying for all this idiocracy ....




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Mrs Shuttleworth


    The public ultimately are to blame here.

    1. Don't watch this superfluous nonsense, ever

    2. Don't pay the TV Licence and strenuously defend it in Court if you are prosecuted on the grounds of refusing to fund criminality which in itself is an offence

    That's it



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,527 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    They'll catch you out some way though, eg - adding it on to you ESB bill or some nonsense like that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,147 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    The abuse Joe & the callers get on the liveline thread is something else, same people all the time too. Pretending they hate the show. Free rein to say what you like in the radio forum, no over zealous mods there

    the late late thread in Tv forum is similar but not quite as bad



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