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My Circumcision Story

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  • Registered Users Posts: 28 AussieRam


    Thanks for the advice Trondheim, food for thought there.

    Thinking back I had a closed mind going into the consultation, I was going on his advice from four years ago and I had decided that i was finally getting it done and should of waited a few weeks to digest the fresh opinions of the consultant rather than booking it there and then. The consultant even said I mightn like it I don't know why I ignored his advice.

    At one stage I thought the consultant wouldnt give me the option to do it and when that was a possibility It made me want it more.

    After that I just went along with it, I had a busy few weeks and didn't think it through i was looking for reasons to get it done i.e if I had discomfort at all it was justification, I should of thought logically as you said and I remember even saying well Oh I can't really cancel now as hospital is booked which is crazy talk.

    I seen advice online on UK surgeon website saying not to make up your mind for three weeks after a consultation which is solid advice.

    Due for six week review next week so will see how it goes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭Trondheim


    Best of luck with the review. I would suggest not doing anything regarding reversal for at least 6 months. Be mindful of the lessons you have described above (having a set view and not listening to contradictory advice from doctor; reacting to being told "no" by absolutely wanting what you have been refused; striving to have something "fixed" even though it isn't really broken). All of these lessons apply just as much to a reversal as they do to the original circumcision.

    Also, try not to beat yourself up over what you currently view as a bad decision. You made the decision for good reasons and you cannot know in advance the outcome of your decisions. Be kind to yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 AussieRam


    Thanks, my surgeon said the same, to give it time and be patient, he said if i keep looking at it i will drive myself and everyone crazy.

    I must admit though Im trying to but i cant see it changing radically, its rather upsetting and its all I can think about tbh, it doesn't look like a normal circ at all. I tried to make life even better by going ahead with it and taking out an inconvenience (limp foreskin ), a problem i would love now!

    Im beginning to think the problem is he just left the shaft skin (towards the body) and glued it to near the corona and didnt leave any blending in or transition or thinner skin or inner skin if you like, its as if all remains is the thick shaft skin and it really doesn't feel natural at all.

    Not good but Il see what he says on monday.



  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭Trondheim


    Do you have something in mind as the perfect penis? I don't think there is any such thing. Each one is different.

    Do you have a partner? What does she/he think of it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 AussieRam


    Well not perfect but I expected it be feel normal and and not a change of shape as such. No I don't have a partner..

    I had the six week review and the consultant said it's healing and a bit more healing to go. He mentioned i have fibrosis skin which might make it feel thicker and take longer to heal.

    But the more i look at it the more i feel it's just a bad circ.

    Instead of going to him for a three months review he suggested going to someone else for a 2nd opinion seeing as I was unhappy.

    So he referred me to a specialist , an andrologist so will see him in June for the review and his opinion.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭Trondheim


    It is good that you are going to a different specialist. That should give you confidence in whatever he says (including if he says that it is a good circumcision). In the meantime, try to focus on other things and think less about the circumcision. You know now that it will be addressed in June.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 AussieRam


    I wish I could, but i honestly don't think I can wait that long.

    After some thinking I think i may have a buried penis, where the penis retracts into the remaining skin and scrotum skin at times when I'm sitting down, it drives me crazy. I'm in good shape and thin by the way and not over weight.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭Trondheim


    Is there any part of you that is curious about all this worry?

    I have been there also: incredibly worried about something, panicking, wanting to take action straight away to 'fix' the thing, and generally not making very wise decisions.

    What is driving this urgency? Why can you not wait until June? What is the worst thing that could happen if you did have to wait until June?

    Going from my own experience, i know that it was deeper issues causing that panic, that fear, that obsession. I really benefitted from seeing a counsellor to talk through these feelings. Maybe that would benefit you too.

    Do you have other things in your life that you can bring some attention to? Friends, exercise, hobbies, study, a job? Everybody benefits from a balance of things to occupy our minds. Too much focus on one part of our lives is rarely healthy in the long run.





  • If you're worried about it, a second opinion is important but also remember that any surgery takes a considerable time to fully heal and settle.

    I wouldn't panic too much about it, but if you're concerned get some extra info, which you seem to be doing anyway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 AussieRam


    Thanks for the advice

    The feel of urgency is from the discomfort, the constant feeling of not being able to do anything with it tbh, not being able to hold it right ,the feel of it ,the shock of how it looks and all the stress building up'. I seen my GP and he said to not see the specialist until the 3 month review as some healing to go yet ,so Il do that. He told me not to think about it aswell.

    I do have a job, etc I was on a tough fitness regime before this op, but the way it irritates me Im not in the mood for doing anything much because its like a constant annoyance the way it feels.

    Regardless of the healing, I really dont like the style of the circ, its not like anything i expected, but thats for the specialist i guess.

    The whole thing that it is so permanent is also hard to fathom, ive been thinking through why I let it get this far, made one rash decision a few months ago, sent an email to the urologist and boom had an appointment with a set mindset without thinking about what I would be like afterwards.

    I guess I thought I backed myself into a corner when agreeing to it and then I just thought well il go along with it. That and the fact the procedure was took place just three weeks after the consultation didn't help.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭Trondheim


    The really good thing about your response is that you are reaching out for support from different sources: here, GP, specialist, second opinion. I hope that is helping with the stress. It is certainly better than trying to handle it all on your own. Take care.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 AussieRam


    So three months post op here now.

    Wish I could say things have got better but sadly it hasn't.

    I'm still very unhappy, I was at a specialist for a second opinion , he said it's early days and said it looked like a standard circ but said that only i know how it was , but he did say that I have scrotal webbing

    I figured this out myself too, bascially too much skin was taken off and my scrotum was pulled forward, it's a nightmare and it's very uncomfortable all the time. Bascially it's all balls and no penis body as such.

    There is zero inner foreskin left , just all outer skin that used to sit at the base of my penis now it's attached to the top.

    My scrotum used to sit naturally (obviously) now it's sitting higher on the shaft and smothering me when it's flaccid and when it's erect it's more than half ways up

    This isnt practical, how are you supposed to use a condom etc?

    I dont understand how this could happen, surely it would of been easy to recognise before performing it to see if there was a risk of webbing.

    The specialist said any reconstruction would be huge and results don't be great , but to check back with him in a few months and to use bio oil on the skin.

    On top of this I have been getting pains, UTI infection last month and now i have it again. Ironically the pro circ camp say that you won't get UTIs. Now I'm getting them all the time.

    I don't know why I'm getting these infections.

    To anyone considering getting a circumcision

    There's some advice on here saying don't hesitate just get it done etc, it's good it worked out for them, but remember once its done it's done. My advice is don't let anyone near down there, the risks outweigh any benefit

    Dr Google can be a dangerous thing. You even have a picture of how you think it would look, ,that it might be glamorous but bare in mind lot of what you see on the internet may have been done from birth. I even messaged someone on here who went to the same surgeon before the op who had a great result. I'm not sure has there been anyone else on here who unhappy with their circ?

    For me it has been life changing and I'm miserable.I was the fittest person before this never missed a workout , lifted weights , played sports . My quality of life is zero at the moment. I thought i had a problem before this but it was nothing compared to this.

    At the moment I'm too uncomfortable to do anything and don't have any motivation.

    What was meant to be a six week recovery for me is looking like a life sentence.

    I thought i was getting a bit of skin off the top , not my scrotum rearranged and pulled up.

    The foreskin itself is a huge miss, i miss the protection it had, the pleasure etc. Don't get me started on trying to 'use it ' without it.

    To be fair to the surgeon, he did advise me not to get it done and said i might not like it. I rushed into it in the end and before i knew it was all over with .

    As far as I can see the operation is a barbaric act , it involves guesswork, how can they remove skin when it's flaccid not knowing how it will be when you are erect? It's disfiguring.

    I wonder how often does this happen, how many more suffer in silence? problem is I signed consent form which had all these things listed as a risk and stupidly I never asked what all the risks meant.

    It was all put on a screen in front of me and i had to sign there and then, at least i thought i did , almost like signing for a package.

    In my opinion these should be printed and given to you, there's something insignificant about reading from a screen and signing. If i had it in front of me and took it home to discuss things maybe different. Then again there's a lot of things i would have done differently.

    I got a copy of it since and can't believe i signed it with all the risks that we're on it.

    I wish I followed my own advise on this thread from a few years back about asking questions to a consultant.

    Definitely don't make up your mind on the day.

    I'm not sure where i go from here , il see the specialist again , but as the specialist said I cant undo what was done , i just have to optimise what i have. The thought of any further surgery is terrifying but living like this is also miserable.

    All these doctor visits and consultant fees add up too money wise,

    Sorry for the long read and rant but this is my story. If anyone has experienced similar issues then would be good to know how you are dealing with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    I had it done and very early days I thought I made a mistake but within a few weeks I was happy. Hard to visualise some of the effects you're mentioning.

    I did read about depression and even a suicide post circumcision with people that felt like they had someone else's penis and not their own so until your disappointment and frustration hopefully subsides, address the mental side of what you're experiencing with a professional, you don't sound in a great place at all



  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭Trondheim


    I agree with @Buddy Bubs. The physical is one side of things, but it sounds like you are already depressed and maybe heading into a deep depression.

    I would strongly recommend that you link in with a counsellor or psychologist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I’m finding it really hard to finish during sex if I use a condom.

    is that a thing or just me?



  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭Trondheim


    Respectfully, i think that question belongs in a different thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Sorry I should have added that’s a post circumcision thing I notice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,489 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Had it done a week ago and is taking its time healing up. I'm 52 so that's not helping but would have hoped to be further along a week afterwards. For those who have had it done how long was it roughy before the wound initially healed up for you?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,489 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Just for any oldies here, took two more weeks so three in total. Weirdly near the end of week two i could kind of pull most of the stitches out, weird sensation. There still two left one month later (since oper) where the frenulum used to be that are still solidly there, suspect they will need to be manually snipped at the 8 week visit with my consultant.

    Still very sensitive walking around, not quite sore, but not comfortable either which is annoying as I'd hoped to be able to do some light jogging by now, nowhere near that. I'm going to try an exercise bike tomorrow instead.

    Have to say i'm glad I'm married, my penis isn't going to win any beauty contests after this, that would have bothered me big time if I was younger. The cut around the glans is bumpy and not straight, and where the frenulum was is now a bulge at the back of the glans.

    Best of luck to anyone else going though this, its not the worst thing, its not a cake walk either, but for some of us it needs doing, so be it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Irishguy10


    Just wondering if everyone who got it done is left with these bumps?


    Did anyone request a certain style?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,489 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    I guess it was all still a bit swollen when i posted that as its kind of flattened out a bit now. I couldn't pee straight standing up for a few weeks but now is fine. Its all healed up but the frenulum stitches are still there. Going to see the consultant next week for the followup, hoping he can snip them then.

    Overall, no infections since, so its been a success. Would i recommend it to younger me?, nope unless very urgent, its not beautiful and might be off putting to younger partners, my wife doesn't care so older me doesn't either.

    Oh, btw, Dunne's cotton y-fronts are the most comfortable afterwards - pro-tip! You don't want loose fit or boxers, you want snug so your gland doesn't move about and rub off the cloth which will feel like sandpaper.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Irishguy10


    Just wondering if others have the same experience as you with the lumps. Where did you get it done



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 DexterMorgansGhost


    I had mine 3 weeks ago today. The stitches are all but out and the scare is visible now just below the gland but there is still a lot of swelling just below the scare line so I'm wondering will it take a lot longer for that swelling to go down.

    I had a lot of scaring on the foreskin before the op and the skin had stuck to the glad and I was peeing like a sprinkler so happy now to just be able to pee straight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 AussieRam


    Nine months post op now, it's been a disaster . Im in constant discomfort still, my balls are pulled up because the surgeon was careless and removed too much, leaving me with significant scrotal webbing, and burial of the penis . The man shouldn't be allowed to perform circumcisions. Where the frenulum was feels awful, the wound opened up a week or two after the op and was basically hanging off, now that it's healed theres a lot of scar tissue. I read that if too much skin is removed the wound can be difficult to close and that is what happened.

    I went with this surgeon because he used glue, and I thought that was the best method..

    Since then I read that glue doesn't have as close of a knitting as a stitch does so might not be the best method in some cases.

    The fact he removed too much , the glue just wasn't enough to hold it all together.

    A specialist told me I could get webbing surgery but you're basically cutting away the scrotum and said I would hate it and that he can't do anything about the burying feeling . Man I thought I was getting a little bit of at the top , now I may have to get my scrotum trimmed. A word to the wise if you are reading this thread and thinking about a circumcision, exit this thread and never think about it again.

    I don't exercise anymore due to the discomfort, I don't socialize anymore either , it's just ruined everything to be honest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭Trondheim


    This sounds awful. I'm sorry you had such a bad result.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,489 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Hopefully all swelling gone by now, i suppose everyone recovers at different rates, my stitches in the gland didnt come out for about 5 weeks and the frenulum ones(which were a different material) didn't come out until around the 7-8 week mark.

    I knew my swelling went down when i could stand up and pee straight!, which i'd say was a good 4 -5 weeks.

    Best of luck with your recovery.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,489 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Sorry to hear that, sounds like a right nightmare, hopefully in time it will loosen up a bit.

    I started back running after 8 weeks after i discovered Dunnes cotton y-fronts, they have a posh name for them which i don't recollect but that's what they are. They have a nice snug fit so the gland doesn't move around inside, which, as you certainly know feels like sandpaper for a good while after the operation. Maybe you could look into those?

    Why did they do anything with your scrotum, surely the cut was much higher up?, certainly my scrotum is exactly where it was beforehand. At least that's what it seems like to me.

    Honestly I would ask my GP to refer me to another surgeon in your circumstances and get their advice. If you are in Dublin I'd be happy to pass on the name of the surgeon that did mine by PM? Best of luck, hope you can get this fixed.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8 DexterMorgansGhost


    Five weeks yesterday and it staring to look fine now still a bit of swelling below the scar line and the skin feels tight but think that tightness will loosen when the swelling is fully gone. I think I can get back to running next week which will be a good way to start the new year as i have put on a ton of weight over the last five weeks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 AussieRam


    Thanks for the tips on the boxers. I might check it out.

    What happens when there is excess skin removed is that the circumcision is so tight that any remaining skin is pulled forward higher onto the shaft, and in turn, so is the scrotal skin, and even skin from your fatpad or pubic area is stretched forward. It means most of your shaft is now scrotal skin. It doesn't seem to be a risk that is talked about much and my surgeon never once mentioned it as a risk. It's so uncomfortable. The penis also retracts inwards into the body because of this and instead of foreskin or shaft skin covering it, your scrotum is covering it. It's ridiculous, can't believe I let anyone go near me down there come to think of it. If you google it you will probably understand it better.

    The specialist I went to said there is no fixing it, you cant get back what is gone, but I could get scrotal webbing surgery to cut away the webbing which is very annoying, but he said this would be another operation, arguably bigger than the circumcision and will lead to scaring and have its own risks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭SneakyDoyle


    I was referred to Tallaght adult Urology by my GP, I'm wondering if anyone can give me a indication of their experience with public waiting times?

    I received a letter from Tallaght acknowledging that I'm on the list for an assessment, if I thought it was going to be more than 6 months before I receive a date I'd start chasing down private referrals but I could do without the added expense.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8 DexterMorgansGhost


    It was pretty much 11 months from the day I went to my GP to the day I had the surgery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭SneakyDoyle


    Thanks for the info. How long ago was this? Which hospital did you attend?

    Hope your recovery went well!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 DexterMorgansGhost


    Say my GP on the 13th of December 2022 got my appointment to see the consultant on 4th of October 2023 and had the surgery on the 20th of November 2023 in Kilkenny.

    7 weeks today and recovery has gone well so far small bit of swelling still there and hoping to get back to some sort of full running and cycling next week, I have piled on about about a stone and a half in that time, Christmas of course didn't help either with the weight gain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Lovelyguy


    Hi all. I went to specialist clinic today and was advised I need to be circumcised (I agree with them) All in, it will cost about 3300 euro. Sadly, I just can't afford this. Anyone know what the current waiting list is to go public?

    Thanks for any input.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Mr. J Peterman


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Mr. J Peterman


    I had mine done in Vincents recently and the total cost was €1600 (according to the VHI statement). plus €250 for the initial consultation. IDK if maybe it costs more if you're paying directly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭GHendrix


    I am supposed to be in next week but I think I’m going to chicken out.

    I have phimosis and met consultant earlier this year. At the consultation he tried to pull my foreskin back which was awfully unpleasant.

    I thought the procedure was under general anaesthetic but it’s actually just local which actually freaks me out.

    And reading this thread it seems to be at least several weeks to recover. I have 2 kids under 4 so that might be difficult.

    Should have given this more thought in hindsight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 DexterMorgansGhost


    I had mine under a local and was able to drive home straight after it with no side effects at all and really glad I had it that way instead of being put fully under.

    I chatted away with the anaesthesiologist and one of the nurses while the procedure was being done and the surgeon was very reassuring.

    All said and done from the when I went into the operating theater to starting my car to drive home was about 90 minutes.

    The prep and waiting to go into the theater was about the same 90 minutes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭GHendrix


    Thanks, Could you feel much with the local anaesthetic?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 DexterMorgansGhost


    Nothing stronger than a pinch at the start while they were waiting for it to kick in and once it kick in.

    I never felt any pain. They gave OTC painkiller when I left and I never felt the need to use it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭Seanachai


    I'm regretting my 2nd frenuloplasty more and more, two years later and the there is still a serious loss of sensation. The only thing to loo forward to is Foregen passing the human trials and coming to market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭niallb


    If you think about it objectively, this is the week you'll come across all the good reasons not to do it!
    I'm a year post-op now (Kilkenny) and among the other benefits I don't have phimosis any more.
    I had a general and got a lift home later in the afternoon.

    I'm very happy with the result all round and would recommend going through with the surgery if you need it.
    Recovery times vary from reading the thread here myself over the last few years, but if you follow the care instructions it's only mildly uncomfortable for most of that time as your glans adapts to the outdoor life.

    Two kids under 4 will be two kids under 10 for a long time. How much bouncing in your lap do they do?
    The best time might indeed have been a couple of years ago, but the second best time is next week!

    You might be able to contact the doctor or hospital and say you'd like a general instead or even just a sedative with the local. The anaesthetist can make pretty sure you remember none of it. Even asking on the morning of the surgery might be enough.

    Good luck!



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