Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

So these are examples of the trans bans prevailing in the courts? Not sure what you mean. Plaintiffs having their cases sided with as they advance through the courts is prevalence to me. I suppose you could go with a glass half empty argument for now though.

That doesn't answer my question.

You seem to have less knowledge in this area than myself.

If someone is making the argument that a biological male should compete with my biological female daughter and share a changing area with her in a sport that has male and remale categories, they'd better be able tell me why.

It's got feck all to do with trans panic.

I have no idea what you are talking about, because ~97% of federal cases are dismissed. Maybe you meant as frequently as 3% of the time the motions fail?

And I'm discussing the entire subject that arises out of fixating on the OP, such as users like yourself going on to bang on about trans sports bans over in Texas. Circular argument.

Why would I make such a sweeping conclusion based on data from only 1 swimmer, for the whole of sport, everywhere? You seem desperate to jump to definitive conclusion there to suit a political narrative.

Alot these trans suits are civil cases what is your point

If you're arguing that the FINA/World Aquatics document is a good approach, and if that's what you mean by a more holistic approach, then I can only completely agree. It's an excellent set of rules, clearly well put together taking on board a wide range of opinions and expertise. I'm happy to concede that that is a much bigger range of factors under consideration than simply Farness versus Inclusion. But I do think that that is the core issue that they were aiming to resolve.

It also reaches a very solid set of conclusions. The main one pertinent to the subject matter in this thread is that all transgender athletes are free to compete in the sex category which they are eligible for (On the basis of male and female defined by sex characteristics defined in the document). If you can see why that is the case, and accept it, then frankly we're in agreement.

It's worth noting that one thing it takes no account of, quite rightly, is any political considerations, whether it be democrats or Republicans, Conservatives or Liberals, Biden or Trump. All quite rightly not remotely a factor.

I don't disagree in any way with what you're saying about each Governing body deciding its own rules for its own events where they have the jurisdiction (in sporting terms) to do so. And we can agree that if they take a similar approach to FINA/World Aquatics then that would be a good thing indeed,

To be clear, I'm disgusted with athletes, whether trans or not, being used (and abused) for political points scoring. It's mainly an issue with the childish remedial level politics endemic to the U.S. political system (I'd say both sides, but that expression in itself is why U.S. politics is at a remedial level. A flawed democracy), but unfortunately is infecting a few other countries as well.

With respect, that is a bit of a side step from the core issue at hand in this thread, which is letting biological males compete against biological males in competitive sports.

Just leaving trans people alone wouldn't exactly make the playing field fair or even or equal in the world of sport. You are putting emotion into a discussion that has quantitative metrics to back and show the massive differences between males and females in the sporting world.

In a social stance, trans people should be totally free to identify at they want, it impacts most in no way at all. There will always be bigots of course, so maybe focus on that part and now the central issue here.

It's typical of that movement tbh, unless you are completely and utterly entrenched in their world view and their world view ONLY, you are an enemy and deserve to shrieked down.