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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,416 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Trump would have to admit his wrong and accept a pardon from Biden.

    In a million years, that would never happen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,928 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I know quite a few people on boards whose "anecdotes" conveniently match their fringe world views.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,421 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    'yeah why is everyone talking about a POTUS leaking a ton of nuclear and defense information and not about the rhetorical doomsday clock?'




  • Registered Users Posts: 478 ✭✭Run Forest Run


    That caller is making a mess of his points.

    But the basic premise of what he's talking about is true.

    I remember all the talk on the left back in 2016, about Trump being a dangerous loose cannon sort of person who couldn't be trusted with nuclear weapons or not to start a world war etc etc. And yet, it's under Biden's watch that the world has been taken closer to the brink of Armageddon - not Trump.

    And this is something the American voting public are acutely aware of right now. Biden is seen by many people, as a dangerously incompetent leader who is flirting with the prospect of nuclear annihilation. Trump actually looks like a safer pair of hands right now to quite a lot of people by comparison.

    (I know nothing about the host of that show, or what his views were back in 2016 btw - so I can't speak on the specifics of their conversation in that regard)



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,421 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump leaked nuclear defense information, in and out of office. I'm not sure what alternative reality you and your totally real voter friends are on. Trump is seen by many more people, as a dangerously incompetent leader who was literally flirting with a dictator threatening the prospect of nuclear annihilation. Many of my friends who voted for Trump in 2016 say they would never do so again, some only voted against Hillary (Chiefly, about her handling of classified information). What part of the caller's incoherent nonsense are you alleging is true and can you prove it?

    Trump actually looks like a safer pair of hands right now to quite a lot of people by comparison.

    Bet: make the comparison and see.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,451 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Biden, dangerously incompetent? Sure? How many of them voted for him last time round and aren't hardcode MAGA heads?

    More dangerous than the guy treated classified documents like a photo book and showing his mates?

    More dangerous than the guy who whipped up his hardcode base into a frenzy that led to the storming of the capital?

    More incompetent than the guy who incriminates himself when he opens his mouth?

    Biden is 'flirting with the prospect of nuclear annihilation'? Ah no he isn't. HE is standing by US commitments to its allies and in the Budapest agreement, by aiding Ukraine and deterring Russia from attacking it with nuclear weapons.

    Red flag is the use of the phrase "many people"

    A weasel word, or anonymous authority, is an informal term for words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated. Examples include the phrases "some people say", "it is thought", and "researchers believe". Using weasel words may allow one to later deny any specific meaning if the statement is challenged, because the statement was never specific in the first place.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,421 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Here are some other times Trump utterly disregarded the security and safety of human sources and protected methods, along with the destruction of Presidential Records.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That's absurd. Democrats despise Trump. There's nothing more that they or myself would love more than to see this vile, orange abomination of a man locked away for the rest of his days for his treason and corruption. There's nothing weaker Biden could do than pander to such a creature.

    Lock him up.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,421 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "How the hell could you pardon Nixon?"

    America has seen what the GOP has allowed itself to devolve into since it effectively got a slap on the wrist for Watergate: breaking and entering, espionage, deletion of presidential records, obstruction of justice, etc. etc. and that was just Nixon, nevermind Iran Contra, Enron, any of the crap in the middle, now we're at Trump going to the Nixon defense on fentanyl "when the POTUS does it it's not illegal" (Nixon accepted a pardon, a contrite admission of criminal guilt). I don't at all see America making this same mistake again, and Republicans are pissing on an electric fence if they think making the 2024 election about pardoning Donald Trump isn't going to result in monumental, opposed, voter turnout. Nixon's pardon deterred fuxk all and it's time to correct that:




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Again , you started off with some truth and then veered off into Right wing fantasy.

    I remember all the talk on the left back in 2016, about Trump being a dangerous loose cannon sort of person who couldn't be trusted with nuclear weapons or not to start a world war etc etc.

    Correct , points that are still valid today , instead now they are backed up with hard evidence - He CANNOT be trusted with anything , he'll show anyone anything if it makes him feel important.

    Then the fantasy begins.

    it's under Biden's watch that the world has been taken closer to the brink of Armageddon - not Trump.

    And this is something the American voting public are acutely aware of right now. Biden is seen by many people, as a dangerously incompetent leader who is flirting with the prospect of nuclear annihilation. Trump actually looks like a safer pair of hands right now to quite a lot of people by comparison.

    None of that is true , unless by "many people" you mean "MAGA Voters" then it sort of becomes true or at least it's true in their minds.

    And there is absolutely nowhere outside of the absolute darkest fringes of MAGA-World where Trump is considered a "safer pair of hands" by anyone for anything.

    He couldn't be trusted to watch a kettle boil without f*cking it up (and blaming it on someone else).



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,290 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Correlation doesn't equal causation.


    Where are you reading that the two are related?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Agree completely,

    This idea that people should show some kind of olive branch to the GOP for "national unity" or something is just nonsense , they'd take that branch and try to beat an immigrant to death with it.

    Crush Trump under the full weight of the law and he take can the rest of the sycophantic snakes in the GOP with him.

    I have absolutely no doubt that when it comes down to it, Trump will hang multiple members of the GOP out to dry to try and save himself.

    He will attack people like Cruz and Graham along with toads like Jim Jordan and Comer - He'll threaten them with anything and everything as he flails about trying to survive and he won't stop for a second before he destroys them and large swathes of the GOP while he does it.

    November 2024 could be very very ugly for the GOP indeed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,421 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    This idea that people should show some kind of olive branch to the GOP for "national unity" or something is just nonsense , they'd take that branch and try to beat an immigrant to death with it.

    Simply not possible as proven by the Obama administration and the policy of obstructionism by the GOP. Before social media really boomed, this approach generally worked: people just heard on the radio, **** wasn't being done and Rush says it's Obama's fault, they don't look into it or read what goes on in Congress.

    For both the Obama and Biden presidencies the Republicans utterly scoffed at the idea of any unity or compromise or good governance, the religious crazies had utterly started to gobble up the GOP by the end of 2008 with most red voters hyped up on vapors that Obama was a muslim alien, an even larger portion of the base was freaking out about Great Replacement Theory (ie. the end of white leadership in the United States), 'the GOP had NO business governing with someone like that or making them look good, no sir.' Thus how the TEA Movement swept the 2010 midterms, and has systemically started pushing out the centrists in the party ever since, every centrist is a RINO you see. There's been a decade+ McCarthyist (the other one) purge of the party going on for a while, and at the moment we even see where the dominant MAGA personalities are literally holding the vestiges of centrism in the GOP hostage to their demands (which don't include making Biden's government run smoothly).



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,527 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I just feel sorry for Trump fans still cheering him.

    Cults do a serious number on some folk and they just never recover back to any sort of normal life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,616 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I said trump was asked to take the cognitive and he took it and passed. I'm saying other presidents (Biden, Bush, Obama) were not asked, have you evidence to the contrary to backup you calling other posters a liar? (myself and Quin_Dub).



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    He was their great hope of truly owning the libs once and for all. That’s literally all it was.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    No.

    You said required and not required.

    Be honest!

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Why? All they want to do is to be the worst versions of themselves without any consequences. People like that don't deserve sympathy. They don't care about schools, hospitals, roads, their communities or even their own families. All they care about is this. That's it.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,527 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Most of them have severe mental issues at this point.

    I mean you've had some martyr themselves for the glorious leader like Babbitt on January 6th, all the anti-vaxxers etc.

    Now obviously the grifters and ringleaders dont deserve any sympathy (and even some politicians themselves have a questionable link to reality (Taylor-Greene)) but the bog standard MAGA-head donating to all this shìte and not actually profiting from it clearly needs assistance.

    A lot have got off the crazy train at this point and the ones remaining are too helpless to cop on, and fail to realise they are being taken for mugs and voting to make things worse for themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    To be honest, I don't really care. If someone doesn't act in their own best interests, why should I? You had people going on and on about how the main parties had abandoned these people when they've spent literal decades voting for their own economic destruction. Any request for them to show compassion such as wearing masks prompts them to reveal who they really are and they're truly ugly people.

    Addicts need to want to help themselves. At that point, I may be able to sympathise but if they keep wanting to snort MAGA from the USA's intellectual toilet, I can't stop them.

    Like, a lot of these people won't even vaccine themselves ffs. I genuinely thought that once covid hit, Trump had his second term. All he had to do was listen to Dr. Fauci and use his salesmanship for good. Just one time but he couldn't do even that, spouting more anti-vaxxer drivel and then leeching off the taxpayer as he's always done.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,421 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Depends on the day:

    “Joe Biden kept talking about how good of a job he’s doing on the distribution of the Vaccine that was developed by Operation Warp Speed or, quite simply, the Trump Administration,” the 45th president said in a statement released via his Save America PAC on Sunday. “He’s not doing well at all. He’s way behind schedule, and people are refusing to take the Vaccine because they don’t trust his Administration, they don’t trust the Election results, and they certainly don’t trust the Fake News, which is refusing to tell the Truth.”




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    A one-liner and a link dump are about all I expect at this point.

    Trump is just subhuman trash at this point:

    Trump is SO obsessed with a) taking credit for the vaccine and b) disparaging the man who beat him in 2020 that he can’t (or won’t) see the damage he is doing by telling an already skeptical bloc of people – many of whom voted for him in the last election – that Biden and the media are not to be trusted.

    It’s an important reminder that the damage Trump has done to the country is not a finished product. His self-centeredness continues to create chaos and uncertainty in a situation – the vaccine saves lives! – where there should be very little.

    The anti-vaxx nonsense costs lives but he doesn't care. He'd kill if he thought it'd advance his agenda.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,421 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump wusses out of GOP debates hosted by Fox for stated reason that Eric Bolling didn't smile at any of his attempts to jokingly downplay the serious crimes he's been evidenced of committing or allow him to rewrite history on how much worse off Trump's record was compared to Biden (eg. on oil prices)




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    How ironic. Describing the man you declared was “a literal Nazi” as “subhuman trash”. Why don’t you use the German word Untermenschen.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    Trump is a conman who would do anything, say anything to keep the con going. He can be absolutely an anti vaxxer and pro vaccines on the same day depending on what falls out of his syphilitic brain to whatever bit of gullible followers he's addressing. That's why he can be all things to his base; he's totally inconsistent. The only consistent thing about him are his only goal in life is to advance himself at the expense of everyone and everything else; his never ending grifting and his serial lying.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,451 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Thats it. Depending on his audience...

    He is not actively anti vax but indirectly and by omission.

    He wanted to take credit for their fast development. He did urge vulnerable people to get it.

    But he was reluctant to call out the actively anti vax Republicans who supported him.

    He undermined confidence in Fauci, CDC and the media who were urging people to get vaccinated and challenging anti vax disinformation.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,421 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ...

    Why would the Nazis label Nazis an Untermenschen? Also, Trump is of proud German descent, and the term is for (ahem): "non-Aryan people they deem as inferior, who were often referred to as "the masses from the East", that is JewsRoma, and Slavs (mainly ethnic PolesUkrainiansSerbs, and later also Russians).[1][2][3] The term was also applied to "mulatto" and black people.[4] JewishPolish and Romani people, along with the physically and mentally disabled, as well as homosexuals and political dissidents, and on rare instances, POWs from Western Allied armies, were to be exterminated[5] in the Holocaust.[6][7]"

    Are you really suggesting that white skinned blond hair blue eyed german blooded Trump would need to fear Nazis labeling him an Untermenschen? Please expand. Sue me, but IMHO he's much more at jeopardy of being called an Aryan by them.

    @ancapailldorcha

    A one-liner and a link dump are about all I expect at this point.

    A 1.2 liner.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,616 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Before he was asked to take a cognitive test by physicians, or afterwards? Do you trust the medical report that he wrote for himself or should we disregard it and take it as confirmation that he was exhibiting signs of a decline when he was asked to take the test? (given that White House physicians didn't require other presidents to take the test)

    I said asked and didn't require. Be honest :)

    And as said, this is the hypocrisy at play among trump supporters, all that you accused biden of you don't dare accuse trump of with much clearer and constant examples of trumps decline cognitively (by your criteria of course).

    Why do you think trump was asked to take a cognitive test? What symptoms do you think were displayed?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,552 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    He's actually fairly consistent on vaccines. He's been spouting anti-vaxx drivel for several years, well before he became president.

    Trump first weighed in on the issue on Twitter in 2012.

    “Massive combined inoculations to small children is the cause for big increase in autism,” he claimed.

    He made a similar argument in 2014, tweeting, “Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn’t feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!”


    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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