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Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭minimary


    "As Minister for Higher Education, Simon Harris told Newstalk he believed, “Student accommodation that is required for students needs to be used for students.”  

    “Much of that accommodation receives planning permission on the basis that it will be used for students,” he said. "


    I mean are we pretending like most of the other places that are being used, hotels, office blocks etc were given planning permission with the thought that they would be used as long term refugee accommodation?

    I don't think student accommodation should be used but where are you gonna put people if you don't put any stop to people coming and never make anyone leave? I assume that theres been no forward planning about what they're gonna do come September when all the student accommodation they were temporarily rented over the summer is no longer available.



  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭paxreseuropa


    Okay of course they aren't; and where do they do all of these security checks, out in the middle of the sea when they pick them up off their boats or in the air while they're flying over from the UK after failing in their efforts for asylum over there and now with the added threat of being removed to Rwanda.



  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭paxreseuropa


    Okay, I apologize for the aggressive tone; I misread your post and took it as being a tad smart, but that's my bad.

    I appreciate your interaction and am happy I have clarified any confusion for you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,324 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Wild to think 60k people are living in hotels and we still have hotels left to service normal tourism.

    600 new arrivals a week, the fact we're sustaining it is actually pretty impressive.

    But surely the dam is going to burst eventually. We can't house 600 people every week indefinitely.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    You ignore the link I posted that many wanted to return to Ireland and only those in exceptional cases were allowed to remain . Those who have found jobs ,those with no home to return to ,families will have settled here older people need medical care .Generous Welfare payments are just one reason . The NGO's are more notable so any move to return them will be opposed .



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    They are NOT refugees when they arrive that is determined later look who does not know the difference . This applies to program refugees and Ukrainians only .



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,570 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I agree with all you have posted and have said similar along the way .

    My issue is with posters who consistently frame the whole discussion in terms of illegal immigrants who are rapists and criminals and are just out to milk the state .

    Never mind the whole of Europe has seen a massive increase in those seeking asylum ..never mind people gave no option but to live off the state until they are able to speak the language and get a job .

    Roderic's naivety and ill judged invitation along with our already dire housing crisis which has been running for the last 10 years is the reason for our present problem and not the fault of these people arriving to our shores , in the main .

    I think the government will have to row back temporarily to allow the heat out of this situation .



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,570 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Ok. Can't help being ' smart ' or perceived as such when countering some claims but appreciate the apology .

    People tend to pile on the few people on the thread who don't agree with the main narrative so I thought, " here we go again! "

    I do agree with some of your points but not the answer to suvigirl about the checks .

    We discussed this earlier on the thread.

    All refugees are interviewed, fingerprinted and checked against Interpol and Europol outstanding warrants when they first arrive in the country here or in the first country they arrive in .

    Of course its not fool proof as we have seen but it is done .



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    I'm well aware of what a refugee is, some posters still continue to post lies about who is and who is not.

    They do not become refugees without being interviewed, background checks, fingerprinted and photographed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,570 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I know this is directed at another but I will answer .

    The fact that we have' generous welfare 'payments has been mentioned by a couple of people not just you.

    We do , more than some of our neighbours , but we also have a higher cost of living than many other EU countries.

    I would say that point will not be lost on many refugees after a year in Ireland !



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Plans are underway to give Ukrainians citizenship after being here 3 years . They are building modular homes to house Ukrainians . Remains to be seen how many will return .



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    We have a high cost of living but don’t they get assistance for food, medical, transport costs? Not to mention the free accommodation of course



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    And all they have to pay is 40 euro month for electricity and wifi, you really couldn't make this up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,454 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    *coughs* A serial killer from Zimbabwe was arrested here with an Interpol notice




  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭paxreseuropa


    Thank you, I do apologize and have no issue in doing so when I'm wrong; it's a pity more aren't the same.

    My main issue with the refugees is the fact that they are unquestionably overwhelmingly adult males and they are from various parts of the Middle-East and North Africa; not only that there is literally no room for them and they are sleeping rough on the streets, they are taking the state to court for failing to provide them with accommodation and living supplies, food, etc., and I believe we were recently hit with a €1.5 Million fine I think by the EU (could be wrong on the issuer of said fine) for our failure to accommodate these "refugees" all the while we have 12,000 people as of March 2023 who are homeless, of which 30% are children.

    I don't blame the refugees; I blame the lousy government who hasn't a clue how to get a handle on anything, they're useless gombeens!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Seems odd to be annoyed at refugees being from Africa and the Middle East given that these are the areas with some of the worst ongoing conflicts and conditions.

    This whole thing about them being adult males really is something that needs to be considered more broadly. Firstly, in conflict situations or other things like it, men are more likely to be seen as targets, more likely to be the victim of violent killing and more likely to be sought as participants in violence. It is also much easier, much safer and less risky for men to endure the difficulties inherent with leaving home and having no solid idea of where you will end up. It also stands to reason that men will often go out first to find safe harbour for their family and in today's world of telecoms they can go with a good degree of confidence that they can contact home at some point.

    But instead of thinking about these possibilities, the theme of them being "adult males" is wheeled out with this kind of undertone that it infers something malignant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Can't be funding that or useful things like childcare subsidies, fixing healthcare, housing etc. Gotta blow as much of the MNC money as we can on the current refugee industry it seems.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭TokTik


    How would the cost of living effect someone who doesn't have to pay rent, pay for food, pay for utilities, pay medical bills etc?

    Even in the modular houses they'll pay 16% of income on rent and €40 a month for electricity, heating, bins and internet.

    I'd love to hear your rationale.



  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭paxreseuropa


    Where exactly did I state I was 'mad' at the refugees. I literally stated that I lay the blame at politicians for the fiasco they've caused in mishandling this issue like they do all others. Don't misconstrue my words to suit your agenda.

    Now, whilst there are ongoing conflicts in these regions and people are suffering I think it might be better to get to the root cause of these conflicts and see what they are happening and I think you'll find they are primarily the cause of a certain section of a particular country hell bent on gaining as much power and money at all costs.

    Hmmm I don't think so. Men yes are disproportionately expected to go to war and overwhelmingly during wartime more men than anything die, this is undeniable; however, women and children also suffer greatly, possibly even more so as they have to witness their partners, sons, and brothers, etc. being killed in pointless wars, they themselves are routinely subjected to brutal rapes and even torture which sometimes eventually leads to their deaths.

    These men are absolute cowards leaving the women and children of their countries to fight-off the attacks of these blood thirsty war lords and also for allowing other men who choose to fight back to protect their families.

    As you well know, there are considerable numbers of these men coming from countries where there are no ongoing conflicts, nor credible threats of such conflicts arising in the near future; they are simply economic migrants coming from the UK as they have exhausted all options for gaining asylum there and now leveled with the threat of being sent to Rwanda they are migrating to Ireland instead and chancing their arm over here.

    If you're so confident of these men's requests for asylum are genuine then you should open your door to them; but no doubt you won't as you wouldn't want them in your home around your family because you wouldn't trust them; not only that, I can also guarantee that if the government announced they would build a refugee centre or convert a disused building into a refugee centre in your area you'd be one of the first out on the streets protesting against it, demanding your children be protected

    Don't go crying to the Guards when you or a family member encounter issues with these "refugees" just sit back and write them a thank you note for being such wonderful people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭paxreseuropa


    Oh I totally agree; the majority of them are overwhelmingly economic migrants from countries that are stable and there is no threat to their lives. The borders need to be closed!! We are under no obligation to take any of these people in and we should not be doing so.

    It might sound harsh and I suppose it is, but these people should not be rescued from their boats, etc. in doing so it only allows the traffickers to adverse the Irish government will help them and offer hospitality and an income. We are sending out the wrong message.

    If they can swim here, they can swim back!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    It's the men who get killed in these pointless war, but the women suffer more watching it!

    'can also guarantee that if the government announced they would build a refugee centre or convert a disused building into a refugee centre in your area you'd be one of the first out on the streets protesting against it, demanding your children be protected'

    also, this, judging everyone by your own standards. Not everyone has an issue with refugee centres.

    And one last thing, if you or family have issues with a refugee, of a criminal matter, then yes go to Gardai. Gardai investigate crimes, irrespective of whom the victim or offender is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 97 ✭✭paxreseuropa


    It's honestly shocking, you simply couldn't make it up and no doubt Leo couldn't wait to sign the checks for another abysmal policy failure. They care more about refugees than EU citizens who are sleeping rough on the streets across the continent; or the parent who goes hungry so their child can eat; or the family who has to huddle up during winter because if they pay their bills they can't afford their rent/mortgage and will out of home otherwise.

    There needs to be a rank and file overhaul of the system and the political class needs to be completely gutted. We need real people in the Dail and representing us at EU level; not a former TD's son or daughter, etc. who inherited the seat or some sheep that'll do what the puppet masters say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,071 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Indeed. In the Balkan wars, Serbian MO was to empty villages and small towns of people, forcing them to the nearest big town. Where they shot all the men between 12-70. All mothers, wives, daughters wanted the men to leave.

    Once a refugee is settled in a country, they can then send for their family, this is much safer for women and children rather then risking them in over crowded unseaworthy boats or letting them run the risk of trying to get somewhere with no money, no food etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 223 ✭✭minimary


    The owners of the Cork apartments are saying that they were being taken off the market because they're in vital need of refurbishment but also that they're alright for emergency accommodation




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    How are they going to refurbish them if they're occupied?



  • Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭Gamergurll




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,237 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    yeah, I was being sarcastic 😀 Lets hope they're not given any refugee contract



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