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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    It was Lisa Chambers and she hadn't a rats. She couldn't answer any direct questions. Shortall destroyed her. Chambers lost her seat and is in the Seanad (which FG promised to Reform). When FFG TDs are too afraid to face the music, they put Chambers on to take the flak. Nobody in government knows when the hospital will be completed or how much it will cost in total. Imagine that, 6 years late and they don't know the final cost. Clowns.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Thanks CM for correcting me. And of course they put Chambers on to face the music, when it should have been Donnolly. Bunch of cowards



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    After Mehole's farce in Galway, Varadkar straight out to the media desperately trying to show he's listening to the people's wishes about not joining NATO. That doesn't mean he still can't giving tax payers money to the weapons companies so we can "defend" ourselves at home and meet our "moral obligations" abroad. #anabundanceofweapons



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭dasa29




  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Spilly123


    I think SF are losing the anti immigrant vote to the right (Aontu and Independents) and losing votes to the left over their shifting positions on PESCO and PFP, the SCC and their climate policies in light of the nature restoration bill.

    SF have voted in favour of the hate speech bill in the Dáil but against it in the Seanad, the ambiguity there might be having an effect.

    They’ve also been largely silent on the neutrality debate and on the RTE scandal.

    Both Mary Lou and Eoin O’Broin have been missing from the airwaves for a while now, EOB understandably as he’s recovering from a stroke but why is Mary Lou so silent?

    Then you have the controversy over the IRA commemoration in Armagh.

    Red C are also saying that SF seen a big increase in May on the back of the NI Local Election results and have now returned back to earth.

    Lastly, I think FG in particular have stopped continuously attacking SF and have focused on the economy and tax cuts instead and that seems to be working.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    SF are going to have a very delicate balance to strike on immigration. Their newer working class base is very much against it, but their more ideological left-wing base is for it. I don't know how they're going to square that circle medium-term.

    They'll either lose the working class votes to INDs/Aontu/any new right wing/populist party that springs up, or they'll lose their ideological left votes to PBP/SocDems.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,220 ✭✭✭mattser




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    Where is Mary Lou?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I didn’t know that Eoin O’Broin suffered a stroke, I do wish Him a speedy and full recovery. As for Mary Lou, yes, her silence is deafening.

    As for the RTÉ shenanigans? I’m guessing here but this poll was conducted prior to the proverbial hitting the fan, so I would guess this poll is ‘RTÉ free’.

    Saying that, the RTÉ debacle & how the government handle the fallout will have an enormous effect on the next poll, such is the disgust out there to this misuse of taxpayers money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,326 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I think SF are losing the anti immigrant vote to the right (Aontu and Independents)

    They'll either lose the working class votes to INDs/Aontu/any new right wing/populist party that springs up


    I see no sign that this is happening or good reason to believe it will...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Spilly123


    Yep this poll would’ve been conducted just before the RTE story hit but SF have been silent on the issue so far.



  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Spilly123


    No sign? They’ve fallen substantially in the polls over the past few months, peaked at 37% in October to now 29%…

    A good reason? A lot of their working class base are anti immigrant and believed SF would curb immigration but are only realising of late that SF are even more pro immigration than the government.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    You don't see the electoral conflict between a support base in working class areas that are regularly having well attended anti-migrant protests / are consistently polling as being very against more immigrants being moved into their areas, and SF party members vocally talking about welcoming more migrants?

    They're two diametrically opposed viewpoints.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,326 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    They’ve fallen substantially in the polls over the past few months


    Where is the evidence that that vote is moving in a significant way to Aontu or Independents?


    You don't see the electoral conflict between a support base in working class areas that are regularly having well attended anti-migrant protests


    Most of these protests in 'working class' areas are in Dublin but I am not aware of any 'immigration-skeptic' independents in those areas who would have the faintest hope of winning a seat. There are independents in rural constituencies who have made critical noises about immigration policy, and most of those are likely to hold their seats, but their position on immigration is only a small part of their appeal and I see no prospect of a breakthrough for others whose primary focus is immigration.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    There are protests all-around the country, they're regularly in the news.

    There don't need to be specific anti-immigration candidates running against SF candidates for it to become an issue for the party. If a SF candidate in a working class area espouses a pro-immigration position it will cost them votes - even if theres no anti-immigration candidate to vote for, it will cause people who care about the issue (ie a large % of working class people according to polls) to just not vote for the SF candidate.

    Voters staying at home and not voting is already a big problem in working class areas for SF, anything that increases this is hugely problematic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,648 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Sinn Fein have recognised this.

    Mary-Lou's recent contributions where she called for protests against the government not against immigrants and played the "more consultation required" card were clear attempts to play to the gallery on this issue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I hear you but my own gripe with Mary Lou is her silence on the RTÉ debacle. I listen to radio 1 mostly ( one of the joys of having a rubbish radio in my van 😁 ) & I haven’t heard a word from Her on this. Must say Catherine Murphy has been interviewed a fair bit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,529 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    SF made their views clear when O Reilly showed up at the Ireland for All protest, now she had the woolly hat pulled down but an eagle eyed member of the public got a pic of her.

    I still think they will steamroll over everyone else in the GE when it happens but will probably lose votes on the immigration issue because they hate being asked what their position is on it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Spilly123


    I‘ve had a feeling something’s been wrong for a while. 


    The pressure must be getting to them, many people have huge expectations on them not just to form the next government but to deliver on housing. 


    It’s not a great sign that two of their most important figures are struggling with health issues already, if this tweet was from Joe Biden everybody would be saying he’s not fit for office…



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    What a year for Simon Coveney:

    Best friend Paul Hyde, ABP Deputy Chairman (I wonder how he got that job) pleaded guilty to criminal charges today

    Brother, Rory Coveney on RTE exec board since 2011 (I wonder how he got that job) has been advisor to RTE's Dee Forbes throughout her now disgraced term

    FG: the party of law and order, ROFL!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭Hodger


    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/6b22e-minister-mcentee-obtains-high-court-order-requiring-the-retention-of-data-for-state-security/

    Seems like state overreach to me, I hope during question time in the dail some of the opposition tds ask questions and look for an explanation as to why this is necessary.

    Like section 10 of the planned hate speech law, this move come across as guilty until proven Innocent .



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I too took notice of that poll at the weekend and SF's decline.

    I don't know to what extent their immigration policies are hurting them in working class areas but I know they are extremely vulnerable on it.

    When was the last time you all met a stereotypical working class republican who was pro-immigration to the extent of the party leaders? I never have. These are the grassroot SF voters.

    I think they are in real spot of bother.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Hogan threatened bully boy tactics to force us to pay for water. As we all know it failed. Now I read this yesterday:

    UÉ still turn in a profit. Be very hard to believe anything our dictating politicians tell us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭ZookeeperDub


    UE is state owned. The profit is driven from water fees for companies. The profit will then be reinvested into the water system which is badly in need of repair.

    With my limited knowledge this is a positive, we have companies paying for water system upgrades

    He said that the surplus/profit generated by Uisce Éireann, together with necessary Government support in capital contributions of €454 million, was invested to fund critical infrastructure projects and enabled the successful delivery of a €1.06 million capital investment programme in 2022.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    The bulk of the utility’s revenues is its annual subvention from government which increased from €893 million to €961 million last year.

    It is making a profit because the state paid it nearly a billion. The subvention only came about when they got rid of domestic water charges. If there was still domestic water charges, there would be no subvention or it would be lower.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,128 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    SF are in a spot of bother? I am no SF voter but let's look at the facts.

    In 2010, FF and FG had 129 seats. SF had 4.

    10 years later FF and FG got 73 seats. SF had 37.

    They are now polling higher than any other party and I could see SF having more seats than FF+FG combined in 2025.

    That's a spot of bother?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6 johnnysins100


    Sindo/Ireland Thinks poll June 30-July 1st


    Sinn Fein 31 (-1)

    Fine Gael 19 (-1)

    Fianna Fail 19 (nc)

    Independents/Others 13 (+1)

    Social Democrats 6 (nc)

    Solidarity-PBP 4 (+2)

    Aontu 3 (nc)

    Green Party 3 (nc)

    Labour 2 (-1)


    Sample 1.076, moe 3%



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Wow, Bacik is in dire trouble going on these figures. Serves them right for the way they treated their core supporters since gilmore’s shenanigans.

    Traitors to the Labour movement the lot of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    EDIT: I heard on The Week in Politics that the percentages in this poll are the lowest ever for both FG & Labour.

    I’m not qualified to say about FG but in Labour’s case, I’d say that they are heading the same way as the PD’s - oblivion. To say AONTÚ are higher than Labour says it all.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,648 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I thought Sinn Fein losing votes in the last poll was a timing factor because RTE wasn't out there. What's the excuse this week?




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