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Republic of Ireland Team 2023/24 [old thread]

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    I’m not expecting him to be sacked now I was responding to a poster who suggested some kind of an announcement was expected.


    Who’s the first choice replacement? Lee Carsley is it? If they offer him the job they won’t have to wait until he’s out of that job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭McFly85


    While that doesn’t sound too bad if true, it’s still extra money to spend along with extra money for someone coming in to manage.

    With an organisation as heavily in debt as the FAI I think you would need a very strong reason for additional expenditure. If we were in a more reasonable group or more or less guaranteed a playoff there could be a better argument for replacing him now.

    Also, the 2 names repeatedly mentioned here as replacements dont provide any urgent reason to get rid.

    Lee Carsley is currently at a tournament and is presumably not so desperate to manage Ireland that he’d commit to anything until that’s over and depending on how successful they are.

    Roy Keane hasn’t been in charge of a team fully in over 10 years and hasn’t had a job directly in football for 4 so it’s not like there’s a line of clubs waiting to snap him up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭athlone99


    Yes the FAI board are meeting today, its a regular meeting like they do after every/most international windows. There isnt anybody in the media who has mentioned hes going to be sacked. Its ironic that you think by getting rid of Delaney the half new FAI board are going to act exactly like Delaney and move with the wind of a few people.


    As others have said, he wont be sacked at this point, he will get September, no matter what some fans think here, no new manager wants to have to face France and Holland in their first few games. They clearly have no one lined up, maybe talks have happened with Carsley but lads in and around the Ireland beat dont think he will get it given he has less senior managerial experience than Kenny.


    Anyone else read Philip Quinn's mad suggestion that Carsley would come in and act as a number 2 to Keane? I know he hates Kenny but hes in cloud cookoo land!



  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭athlone99


    Owners of Udinese are owners/investors of Watford so are well aware of players in the UK lower leagues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Most fans want him gone. Some are saying they don't think he's up to it but also want him to stay which is a bit ridiculous. If he's not up to it then get rid now and let the new manager have a crack at this group but more importantly have time to prepare for the playoffs if we get there. Pay him off if needs be but waiting around is not only pointless but it could stop us from getting a good manager as they may have got employment elsewhere by then. It's time for the FAI to step up and show they have moved forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    The current manager has overseen results which has led to getting the tough group draw for the Euro's. They've made it harder for us to qualify in future because of a big drop in our rankings, we possibly won't even make a playoff because of this. The FAI desperately need the money gained from major tournament qualification. This is why they must get rid of the manager who is responsible for failing to qualify for previous tournaments and making it harder to qualify for future tournaments. Get someone capable instead. Most fans agree with this, even you admit Kenny has failed and should go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Not the wind of a few people. Most fans, ex players and the media have stated he's not up to it. But we don't need others to tell us that. Results and performances have proven beyond doubt that he's not up to it. Finally, Delaney was ousted, time to do the same to his man Kenny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,341 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Phillip Quinn’s writing has a history of been disconnected from reality in a serious way. It’s amazing he’s still getting paid for his opinion because it’s not an informed opinion at all. I guess the way he is taking on Kenny appeals to some but when it’s done like this it’s bad.

    most Irish football journalists would be embarrassed to put their name beside an article like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,205 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I mean, that’s just not true.

    2024 - seeded third

    2022 - seeded third

    2020 - seeded third

    2018 - seeded fourth

    2016 - seeded second

    We have generally been around third for the majority of our campaigns. We got a tough group because it’s possible to get a tough group - attributing that to Kenny is bananas.

    2016 is interesting though. Second seeds and finished below our seeding, qualifying through a playoff in a situation we’ll never have again, the knock on effect being a 4th seed for the 2018 qualifiers. Don’t recall anyone being infuriated at O’Neill for making it harder for ourselves then.

    We will get someone else in, but it won’t be today or tomorrow and will probably next year.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    I personally haven't read one name that I would consider a more competent replacement that Stephen Kenny.

    Roy Keane has proven incapable as a manger barring winning the 2nd division with Sunderland, which was hardly a shock. It was also 16 years ago, to put into context, Mick McCarthy did the same thing 18 years ago. Since then it's been pretty underwhelming to say the least. He is now basically a rent a sound bite on British television, not a football manager.

    If he hadn't have played for Ireland, would any England U21 coach be mooted? I don't think so. Carsley certainly can't claim the success that Kenny has in his career.

    Chris Houton? Not doubt he is a decent coach but most peoples opinion on him seems to be based on the fact he was unlucky to lose the Newcastle job. People forget he was manager the season they were relegated, and like Keane and McCarthy, won the Championship with a well resourced, recently relegated team. Brighton he did a decent as well, they've seemed to have survived without him though. The rest is lower league mediocrity. Again if he wasn't Irish would his name be mentioned?

    John O'Shea, never managed and is part of the current set up so hardly a change.

    Sam Allardyce, a specialist in relegation at this stage and was literally sacked from England for being a crook.

    Damien Duff is a mid table LOI manager. You want to talk about Delaney men?

    Keith Andrews, see John O'Shea above.

    Robbie Keane. Maybe he'll do it for free as he took a wage of the FAI without doing anything for long enough. We can continue to talk about Delaney men with this one.


    It's pretty **** grim and if you add up all the medals the above won in their coaching career, none comes near Kenny in that respect.

    To paraphrase Martin Cahill, "You think we're bad, what till you see what's coming next."



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  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭athlone99


    Thats also a serious problem in the long run. As well as having little to no players playing at a high level across the water, we dont appear to have that many coaches/assistants and managers managing at a high level. Reality is we will have to look to the LOI/FAI ranks in future if that also doesn't change. I have no doubt we have some talented coaches but we need them to get some higher level/European experience.



  • Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭athlone99


    If thats true why wasnt there a protest at the Gibraltar game? Many Kenny backers including me admit his time is probably up but he doesnt deserve to be sacked at this stage. He should see out the campaign. There are plenty of vocal people on here and on social media like yourself but that doesnt make it true. Id say at this stage its probably 50-50 and most think his contract wont be renewed. We have nobody to replace him so why waste more money now with the FAI are so short on cash anyway?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Does there have to be a protest to get Kenny out? He doesn’t “deserve” to not be sacked at this stage. We all wish him well and even at this stage seeing as he’s staying on we want him to be successful. Quite annoying that Kenny ultras like you are coming out with he deserves to see out the campaign when everyone knows that if the organisation wasn’t bankrupt and completely rudderless he’d be gone already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,364 ✭✭✭henke


    Ogbene gone to Luton Town. Good move for him. They will probably struggle but hopefully plenty of PL minutes for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    What are you talking about? If we had come second in the last Nations League group, would we have been second seeds? Have we gone from 34th to 49th in the World rankings since Kenny took over? We've also dropped down the European rankings which has left us with a 50/50 chance at best of getting a playoff for the Euro's, is this not true?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    The majority of those names are far better than Kenny! But why limit it to them? There are tonnes of managers out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    We have 6 premier league players next season with the potential for some more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,919 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Correct me if I am wrong but recently John Fallon on OTB stated that Kenny has a clause in his contract(poor performance) where the FAI can release him without paying him the full salary ?

    @1:35


    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    As I said, even Kenny backers admit his time is up. We have loads of candidates to replace him, it's important that they get time with the squad to be ready for a playoff, get us ready to qualify for tournaments. Scotland could have kept Alex McLeish but instead they went with Steve Clarke and now look at them. Major tournaments = Money. The FAI need some of that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Cracking move for Ogbene and delighted he's backed him by moving to Luton. Even if Luton are relegated he'll be still playing with a championship team better than those he was also linked with this summer.

    Never thought he'd make it to the PL when watching him in the Markets Field six years ago but he always backed himself to make it to the top level one day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    If this is right then it should be a done deal. Surely all the lads worried about the finances will agree that Kenny should be removed if it costs nothing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Next season we could have a large number of premier league players.

    Kelleher: Will he get a move?

    Coleman: He's still class.

    Collins: Brentford or win his place back for Wolves?

    Egan: Great to see him back.

    O'Shea: Great move for him.

    Doherty: Will a lower level team make a move? Back to Wolves?

    Cullen: Let's see how he does at a top level

    Ogbene: He'll enjoy taking on anyone in the prem

    Ferguson: Could be a superstar.

    Obefami: possible.

    Some like to run down our players but they really aren't as bad as made out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,724 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Good move for him - be interesting to see how they get on - Luton v Chelsea or City - I guess thats why so many like English club football, sometimes you get strange results and drama



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    He got injured, we'll see how he recovers but he was a regular and playing well for Everton and has been exceptional for us right up to his last game a few months ago. Not sure what evidence you have to state he's not near a starting premier league player?

    But the overall point is that the statement made by Liam Brady, that was backed by many, doesn't really hold water. Rather than our worst squad ever, this could be our best in a long time. It could be more a case of our worst manager ever dragging the players down.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    This is demonstrably untrue.

    The names I mentioned are the top in the betting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    Kelleher if he moves won't get a PL starting place. Upper Championship is where I'd expect him to land.

    Coleman not still class. He'll be second if not third choice RB for Everton

    Collins could be a starter for Brentford, not guaranteed

    Egan hopefully will have a good season

    O'Shea will do well to stay in the Prem for more than a season

    Doherty won't be a regular starter no matter where he moves to if he even moves

    Cullen I'm excited to see how he gets on for Burnley tbf

    Ogbene is an interesting one. Could be very good, could be totally anonymous

    Ferguson is the one truly exciting prospect of the bunch who will play more than the rest unless Brighton sign a guaranteed 20 goal a season striker

    Obafemi won't get much opportunity at Burnley. Awful decision by him to move there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    It's not. The majority of those managers are far better. The 2 biggest jobs in Kenny's career have ended in failure.

    Betting companies are going on what people have been putting their money on. We're hoping this is the new FAI, they can perform a full search. Just one example, Kieran McKenna would be a far superior appointment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    I think differently on a few of them, could have 6 regulars but we'll see how it goes. For sure though, this is far from our worst squad ever!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    My only fear is the wise men on the FAI board take the bookies betting list and then start making their own list off it. Don't think they've any imagination to look at options outside of the UK. Could be selling that job to some candidates as a potential stepping stone to a better club job in English football.

    New director of football Mark Canham worked for the PL for ten years and was heavily involved with the changes made at youth level and coaching education in England. He'd surely have built up contacts from the ten years he's spent working with clubs all over England.

    If Hill is smart he'd be asking Canham for his opinions and not the wise men that are still hanging onto positions from the old FAI boards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,202 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Given Lutons tiny squad + Ogbenes versatility he will defo get plenty of game time.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭budgemook


    That's a super move for Ogbene. I like him as a player - he lacks a bit of quality when it comes to crossing but his efforts on the wing are as good as anyone's, just ask Mbappe. It will be interesting to see where Luton play him - I don't know anything about their squad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    A move to the English Premier League. Great for Ogbene, hope he does well.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Martha Dry Scarecrow


    Good on ogbene and fair dues to kenny for spotting hin in league 2 i think it was.


    Another of our prem players with league of ireland backgrounds



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Had played in League One the season before he declared for Ireland. Think he was the one that approached us/Kenny rather than other way around. He went public with his intentions of switching a couple of months before Kenny's first game. Would assume given Kenny's LOI background and also Kenny tried to sign him while at Dundalk probably enticed Ogbene to approach us/Kenny in switching.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,341 ✭✭✭Did you smash it




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Switching from where? According to his bio he was eligible for both Nigeria and Ireland but never represented anyone other than Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Yes technically not switching as he never played for Nigeria so paperwork would have been straight forward in sorting out his declaration in wanting to play for us. All the recent talk in the Munster thread about Jean Kleyn switching eligiblity has that word burnt into my brain when thinking of international eligibility at this stage I'd say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭franglan


    Delighted for Cheo, he's done it the hard way. Always comes across as a great guy off the field. Raw pace can elevate other abilities. Hope it goes well for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭fran38


    So what's the sceal? Is Kenny gone or what?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,097 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Elsewhere, I was giving Carsley a bit of stick over his England U-21s performances not matching their talent - but to be fair to him they've looked good during the euros so far. The Czech game was more even in terms of chances, and England took theirs - but some of their passing in tight spaces has been exceptional across the two games. Now, translating that to a senior international team, with (unfortunately) a generally lower quality pool of talent would be another ask alright.

    I'd still be worried about giving someone the top job with so little experience (and basically no senior experience), but it's good at least to have seen him get a team playing well together. Tomorrow's match with Germany should be a good one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,776 ✭✭✭eire4


    Indeed far from our worst squad ever just the worst since the early 1970's. The only top level player we have of any genuine quality and that is still more about potential then proven is Evan Ferguson. Personally I like Collins and think he is a good solid top level center back but after that the rest are either guys who will struggle for playing time or who are maxing out with lower level top division sides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,407 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    It’s the wrong decision. But what’s done is done.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,823 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    Sure in Rugby you just take a two week holiday to the country you want to play for and you're eligible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,097 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Right decision I think… these are the sorts of games he’s gotten some better performances going. And more importantly, whatever slim chance of a result or two in those games I’d give us with Kenny, I’d give us no hope with a new man coming into such tough fixtures without having had any time with the squad.

    if Kenny was somehow able to get 2 or more points here, that would buy him the rest of the campaign. Any less than 2, and he should be replaced so the next man can use the remainder to get settled before the next campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,006 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Yup at a minimum should get the September games. It's two games a new manager would likely want to avoid bar O'Shea but don't see them doing the interim thing. Women's WC squad is announced today and they were never gonna make a big announcement to take the shine away from them pre tournament.

    If he shocks us and beats the Dutch then keeps the possibility of second alive provided he then beats the Greek in October. Can't see us getting anything in France and it's gonna be one hell of a hail Mary to think he'll go on and win every game from Holland at home to Holland away.

    Another reason I don't think they'll do anything so sudden is they'll want likely want a verbal agreement at a minimum with someone that they're interested in being the next manager. And if the media are correct (no smoke with fire I think) then Carsley is likely target number one and currently preoccupied. Don't wanna get caught with their pants down either of sacking Kenny and then after the Euros is over Carsley re-signs with the FA or takes a club job leaving the FAI scrambling to find someone else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Wrong decision. Totally disagree. A new manager could get a bounce and get off to a flier. It’d be a shot to nothing for a new manager and longer opportunity to build a team for the following campaign.

    The only reason why Stephen is continuing is because the FAI are still in crisis and don’t have the authority or autonomy to make a decision that could be costly to pay him off and appoint a new manager. Anyone thinking any different isn’t reading the situation correctly or is just wishful thinking.

    Having said all that, seeing as he is staying on hopefully he can get some good results but I think we all know the football call here was to call it a day for Stephen. Financial considerations and the FAI not really in control and in tow to the government has dictated this call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    That's way off! McCarthy had a worse squad than Kenny so you don't have to go back to the 70's. There are a huge amount of countries who would kill to have 6 premier league players with the potential for more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Exactly. It's a terrible decision, especially if it's true that it wouldn't have cost the FAI anything to get rid of him. The FAI are still stuck in their old ways, Delaney's man lives on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,341 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    It would be a shot to nothing for the new manager which is great for him but I don’t see the upside for anyone else, it would not be a shot to nothing for the FAI who would have to offer at least a 2 year contract to a probable second choice candidate who would likely turn out to be no good going on the present list of contenders.



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