Russia - threadbanned users in OP

There'll be no fallout on a nato country from any nuke if used. Putin may well have very loose deniability but we've seen how slow the west has been to react to all kind of atrocities.

He denied having little green me in crimea in 2014 and lied straight to the face of western leaders. They knew it was lies and the best they could muster was some sanctions and even that wasn't even close to being unanimous.

He denied being involved in MH17 and blocked the recovery of bodies. Nothing happened.

He denied he was going to war with Ukraine. Within 48hrs he did and again he wasn't really squeezed.

We have a history of not punishing him despite he continually crossing red lines.

I just think there is a back story to this Prizoghin tale that has yet to play out. The absolutely unopposed mutiny was just too convenient and easy.

Saw desperate scenes of a restaurant being hit in kramatorsk this evening . Involving an injured infant. Really shocking stuff. Unbelievable the depths that Russia has plummeted to. It’s a hell hole country with some really really **** people with nothing to offer the world only sh1t. We waste too much time and give them too much credit trying to understand them. It really is a country that is just stuck in medieval mode and it’s entirely its own fault. Guys talk on here of them leading a new world order . Jesus Christ.

Yeah saw that myself, awful stuff. As a father of a child about that age/size in the scene it would make you want to cry and fill you with rage seeing an infant with their head covered in blood and the mother shaking. Please god the little one will be ok. Absolutely shameful to see how low those dirty cowardly b@stards will stoop to. If the west/NATO don't want to supply Ukraine with their latest technology to really hurt the scum, so be it. Not ideal but it is what it is, however they really have to ensure every single Ukrainian city and town are covered with multiple AA systems that ensures anything the scum launch at innocent civilians is intercepted.

I agree that there must be more to this Prigozhin story and another possibility is that behind it all he is still working for putin and all this threat to russian security is playing up to the idea that they are still better off with putin in charge even with the mistakes he has made.

Don't agree that putin would get away with nuclear escalation in Ukraine however as if he was to get away with this once, there would be no end to the number of times he might use the tactic again. Chernobyl caused nuclear fall out across Europe and NATO was established to stop this from happening deliberately in the countries close to russia. I'm not saying they would immediately strike russia with nuclear weapons but a conventional response against their military has been hinted at. Would not be surprised if efforts to take out all of putin's military in UKraine and sink their navy were followed up with a move to take back Kaliningrad and disable their airforce to lessen the danger from putin's tactical nuclear weapons being used again.

Jesus I'm not the better after watching that. Poor sod jumping out of the carrier onto the clay patch like everyone would., Hope he makes it.

Still happening in Afghanistan to the present day, mines laid during the time the Russians were there are still killing and maiming people, Men Women and Children. And not only people, but animals too, and this can impose serious hardship on family's.

You'd have to imagine the east of Bahkmut is a real weak point. They won't have been able to build defences and mine it like other areas due to their own activity in the area so potentially a real breakthrough point. Go round it rather than through it

Yes, I think that he has successfully used plausible deniability in the sense that he has never been seriously punished for it. Prigozhin's murderous operation's world wide are still filling Putin's ( and Prigozhin's) coffers in Russia. And this "spat" with Gerasimov and Shoigu largely stemmed from them no longer supplying weapons and ammunition for Free ( supplied by the state) and he was having to use his own money. And of course, the outside world did not believe a word of Putin's deniability claims. As you said, it was all for home consumption. But now having admitted bankrolling Prigozhin, it seem that the Russian State can be sued for all the murder's, theft and depredations carried out in its name.

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Do you have any links to that? I know that Xi has already started renaming towns and villages in Siberia by their old Chinese names before they were taken by Russia. At some time Xi might feel the need to enter these areas to protect the ethnic Chinese living there AKA Putins excuse to invade Donbas.

People in the comments pointing out that they are stamped with a 1983 manufacture date and that they could well have come from ancient Iranian stocks that originally came from China

Well if Xi does follow this path, it will be a leaf taken from Putins own playbook, when he squeezed Assad dry in return for bailing him out in Syria. One time when Assads military were running very short of fuel, and it was something Putin had plenty of he deliberately refrained from offering Assad any, forcing him to officially request it, after which Putin supplied it. At a price , of course!!!. Neither love nor honor between thieves and gangster's.

At 12.37.

This is just this guys opinion, but he is normally pretty level headed and not overly optimistic like most on Twitter

Elon Musk's venture capitalist buddy amplifying a blue check Russian propaganda account claiming that the attack on Kramatorsk was actually a Storm Shadow that "suddenly changed trajectory dramatically" ffs. Just another day on Elon Musk's twitter these days where you are free to push state propaganda all you want for $8 a month and have the owner's cronies help to disseminate it for you as a bonus.

Currently not in Ireland, only have intermittent access,

Yeah that's the first thing I noticed,the calmness to pull out and apply a tourniquet probably saved his life if not part of the leg , maybe they are Afraid of moving closer in the fear lowering the ramp could trigger further explosions creating more casualties, it's hard to tell the thinking behind it ,

This is fascinating stuff. It blows my take on things out of the water. I had thought a senior Russian General assured Prigozhin of his support but double crossed him. However if this was the case why would he now be arrested? Is it the case that even with this general's support enough people within the military stayed loyal to Putin? In regards to the wider war, the ex chief of the British Army reckons that if the Ukranians do inflict a significant defeat on the Russians somewhere along the front that it may have a domino effect due to poor Russian troop morale. In essence what he was saying is an Army don't have to lose everywhere to feel defeated and surrender. It might sound like pie in the sky stuff, but given who is saying it then you have to consider this scenario might play out.