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Oppenheimer (Christopher Nolan)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭midnightblue




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    oh, thats very good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,657 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Their Communist (or rather Socialist) sympathies were more in line with what the principles of Marxist theory offered the ordinary man rather than sympathy with the likes of the USSR. Most people of that era who were gravitating toward Socialism did so because the ideas expressed within promised a different and better way of life for the majority, as opposed to the previous set ups that existed. It's why Socialism/Communism/Marxism became very popular throughout Europe during the 20's and 30's, especially with people of a certain social strata. People like Jews, for example, who had often been the target of traditional and casual "othering" for centuries. Europe was also very class based and if you were unfortunate enough to be born into a certain class, your life was a hell of a lot harder than it was for people born into more fortunate circumstances. Marx and his ideas offered a way out of that trap.

    It's hard for us now to understand why people would be drawn towards Marxist ideals during the early part of the 20th Century because, in comparison, we have things relatively good and the chance for social mobility is far more flexible now than it was back in the late 19th/early 20th Centuries. Previously, and until the end of WWII really, it didn't matter how smart you were or what you knew, you would have found yourself blocked off from opportunity simply on the basis of who you were. And while that certainly still happens today, it's nowhere near as bolted on as it was back then.

    Oppenheimer's own family moved from Prussia in the late 1800's. His parents experienced casual difficulties there because they were ethnic Jews, despite the fact that his father made a good name for himself in the rag trade, which was a traditional avenue of work for Jews at the time. They were secular, in that they didn't observe or practice, but they were still on the end of antisemitic attitudes that were part and parcel of Europe at the time. He and his wife moved to New York in 1888 and had Robert in early part of the 1900's. Right from the beginning of his life, his parents had instilled in him what could be broadly called called "Socialist" beliefs. He was sent to school at The Ethical Culture School, which had teachers like Lewis Hines, who was responsible for documenting the hardships and appalling conditions that the working classes of the period faced. He was also part of the movement that brought about US child labour laws in the 30's. It was people like Hines and Oppenheimer's father who instilled him with his "socialist" beliefs, although up until his 20's he was pretty much apolitical in practice.

    The trouble is, today, when people talk of Communism/Socialism/Marxism there's a tendency to think of Stalin and the dictatorial regime he helmed. Whereas, back in the early 20th Century, most people of a socialist bent were people who wanted to see the eradication of slums and institute rights for workers, etc. Oppenheimer, and indeed a lot of the intelligentsia of the period, would have been of that orientation rather than looking to the USSR as a model society or as something to be emulated. The 1920's and 30's marked a turbulent period where both working class people and intellectuals were viewing Communism as a way forward, especially in Europe, and with the rise of Fascism in Italy and Germany, their fervour only became more solidified. Oppenheimer during this time began to become more and more interested in politics and even gave money to organisations that were helping people to get out of Germany. But how "Communist" he actually was, whatever that is supposed to mean, remains a matter for debate. But, from what I've read of the man, I don't think he had any real amour for the USSR or Stalin and in his own words, considered himself more of a "fellow traveller" than any kind of party follower.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,814 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    "reportedly" probably doing some heavy lifting here, anyhoo , I'd guess some change of release schedules likely


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Sounds like a job for Ethan Hunt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    as a film fool, i don't understand this.

    So, he has the power, or his film has the power to force the other movies to change release dates, or....... he's being nice and saying, you should move, we will destroy ye? or....... lets all make money.. change your date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    I’ve never had the opportunity to see an IMAX movie. Changing ratios on Disney+ don’t interest me.

    I saw GRAVITY in China on a giant screen but it wasn’t IMAX.

    Never been pushed to experience it and just decided it will happen when it happens but I read part of an interview with Cillian Murphy and I think I will go out of my way to see this film in IMAX. I have been told that a lot of IMAX scenes and films are made IMAX in post but Murphy said the whole movie was filmed in IMAX (as best I understood it anyway).

    I know Cineworld has an IMAX screen and I can’t figure out which Odeon branches have it and while Googling saw a Reddit entry that claimed the only true IMAX screen is in Belfast.

    Can someone advise me as to what is BS and what is true and where are the IMAX screens here?

    Thanks

    Also Oppenheimer is getting an R rated release in the US - I assume this is becasue they are going to show the aftermath in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,657 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    IMAX doesn't matter a jot. You can go and see a film on a bog standard 1.85:1 or 2.35:1 screen and still be engrossed. What matters is the film and the story you're watching.

    Also, AFAIK, there are no real IMAX screens in Ireland, so don't get hung up on it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    The nearest ‘true’ IMAX screen is the BFI one in London (or maybe one of the handful of smaller ones elsewhere in the UK). There are no proper ones in Ireland, north or south.

    What really matters here is whether the film is being shown digitally or on film. The latter is vastly preferable for Nolan films. In the past, Light House has tended to get 35mm prints of Nolan films, while IFI tends to get higher quality 70mm prints (they’re the only cinema in Ireland with a 70mm projector). The latter isn’t always available at release, but it was for both Dunkirk and Tenet. However, neither cinema has announced how they’ll be screening the film yet afaik. 35mm and especially 70mm I’d take over any digital format, including ‘premium’ ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Is the imax in cineworld not worth going to see this then?


    I heard about the proper imax cinemas and there was a part of me thinking of flying to England (Manchester or London from what I read) to see if the true imax experience was worth it.

    What exactly is the difference ?

    In relation to 35v70mm what’s the craic with that and how do you find out if iFi is even showing one or the other version?

    I’m really looking forward to this as Nolan movies are usually good to great and made for cinema. Like how exactly does one work out which is the best experience in Ireland for a movie like this?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Cineworld's IMAX is fine and will probably offer a better experience than most places but is nothing really special either. 70mm IMAX is unique and worth experiencing at some point if you can as it won't be around for forever.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    So in terms of IMAX 70mm vs standard 70mm vs 35mm vs digital…

    In general, film vs digital is basically old-school analogue technology vs modern digital one. IMO film projection - 35mm and 70mm - has a very distinctive visual texture and colour to it. It’s ‘cinematic’ in the most traditional sense. Your mileage may vary, but for me it’s usually a night & day difference, and I love the particular texture of proper film projection. This film was shot on film, so seeing it projected on film will be closest to Nolan’s intention.

    How will you know if a cinema is showing it? They’ll almost certainly advertise the fact very prominently. 70mm is a big deal for the IFI so if they’re showing it in that format - still TBC - they’ll be shouting it from the rooftops. Ditto 35mm in Light House. They’re the only cinemas still screening in film formats in Ireland AFAIK so they will absolutely be shouting from the rooftops if they get film prints of it.

    35mm is standard film print quality - basically what everything was shown in til 15 years or so ago. 70mm is the next rung up in terms of fidelity - higher quality images due to superior film stock. It’s a niche tech and IFI is the only cinema in Ireland that has a 70mm projector.

    IMAX 70mm is basically an extra large format film format with ultra high fidelity and lots of space for the film to be projected in top quality on very big screens. Oppenheimer was entirely shot on IMAX cameras - big, clunky, difficult things. Only the best IMAX screens offer this format - like BFI IMAX and a particular one in Manchester. These screens are effectively massive multi-storey buildings with huge, towering screens. Is it a good experience? Absolutely! Is it worth flying to another country to just see one film? IMO probably not, but your finances may vary 😅 (if you were in London anyway, it’d absolutely be the way to watch)

    Most screens, premium or otherwise, will just be screening digital versions. Many won’t care, but again if there’s a film print around it’ll IMO be the way to watch over digital. Cineworld IMAX is just a decent quality digital screen - bigger and with better sound for sure, but quite expensive for what it is. Most other screens are a crapshoot - even with digital, places like Light House and IFI are the only ones with actual on-site full-time projectionists these days, and you can absolutely see the difference compared to most multiplexes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Thanks very much , so lighthouse or IFI is what I will keep an eye on.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Just an update / confirmation on this as tickets are now on sale.

    IFI is screening the film in 70mm from release day. See above as to why this is IMO the best way to watch it in Ireland (although it’s IFI screen one so make sure not to book seats too close to the front!)

    Alternatively, Light House is screening the film in 35mm - the more comfortable cinema, but the film quality won’t be quite as fancy as in IFI :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    I don’t remember getting a notification of your reply so sorry try for not acknowledging sooner.

    I don’t understand why you posted that first paragraph but thank you for confirming there is no IMAX here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Thanks.

    I may actually be in London when this is out so I might try it at the BFI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,657 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    No Problem Spon.

    The point of the first para is that what really matters is the quality of the film and not the aspect ratio it's shown at. Sure, a bigger screen can add to the effect. But a dull movie is still a dull movie even if it's being projected to the size of a block of flats.

    Personally, I've never given a toss about IMAX or 3D or any of that stuff. I'd happily just go and watch a good picture in a bog standard cinema.

    Jesus, a lot of my favourite films I first watched on a 4:3 CRT. It didn't really alter the experience that much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    That first paragraph is something I agree with but when I replied to it I didn’t understand why you said it or the relevance but afterward I thought maybe you interpreted something in my original post that IMAX was the “only” to see this film. Or maybe the way I phrased it made it seem like that.

    IMAX is not not something I give much thought under than being annoyed that the default mode for Marvel movies on Disney+ is a changing aspect ratio during the film - but I already own most of them in iTunes and would just select the regular version anyway.

    I just figured if IMAX was the way Cillian Murphy was recommending that I might go out of my way to try it.

    I am surprised there is only one real IMAX screen in the U.K. and none here and that they’d bother mentioning it all in Irish and U.K. interviews.

    I assume that the film itself has the IMAX scenes adjusted for normal cinemas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,657 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I genuinely dislike that shifting AP nonsense. Shoot your damn film in a ratio and stick with it. I really have no time for movie shot in 2.35:1 which then, all of a sudden, moves to an IMAX ratio. Annoyed the hell out of me in 'Dunkirk' and that was a pretty harmless example. I mean I really couldn't care less about the director's "vision" in that respect. All of that is a lot of old blarney.

    Wes Anderson does that sometimes, where he'll shoot in 1.33, then 1.85 and the 2.35 in the same film. Drove me nuts when I went to see 'The Grand Budapest Hotel'.

    Bloody irritating if you ask me.

    As for IMAX, it's a bit of a gimmick. That's why it's trumpeted. See it in IMAX!!!! yet there's no real IMAX here.

    As I said though, if the film is any good, you won't care if it's in IMAX or not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Did it happen in the cinema release of Dunkirk or is this the digital/disc version?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,657 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    When I saw it in the pictures, the AR shifted and I saw it every time. On the Blu ray, it's not as noticeable.

    Honestly, I just don't see the point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    Would you be able to tell me a couple of the scenes where it happens?

    I didn’t like DUNKIRK but curious to know if I didn’t notice it becasue I wasn’t enjoying it or because it is something I just wouldn’t notice.

    I love my AirPods Max but lately I realised that after watching a movie that I have no me sort of anything that stands out about the ATMOS in the show or movie. Been meaning to look up scenes that showcase ATMOS to see if there something amiss with my settings or am I just distracted by the story, etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,153 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I can't remember specific examples in Dunkirk myself (was it done to differentiate the different timelines maybe?), but remember certain moments where he does the same thing in Interstellar. The spaceship launch is all in IMAX for instance.

    I don't quite understand the push of ATMOS labelling outside an ATMOS theatre... like, I thought the point is that the theatre itself has 64 speakers positioned all around the space, each with their own specific dedicated sound mix, so there's incredible specificity to where each piece of sound is coming from around you. Gravity in an ATMOS theatre (my first time hearing ATMOS) is one of the coolest most immersive experiences I've had in a cinema I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    I will have to check which cinemas near me have ATMOS.

    I watched the chase scene in the prologue of NO TIME TO DIE earlier as it was a recommended scene.

    The audio was great but I didn’t find it “immersive” and there wasn’t sounds from different directions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,657 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It mostly happens during the aerial scenes IIRC.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭MfMan


    World premiere in Paris yesterday. Critics almost universally wowed. Award noms incoming for Cillian it would appear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Excellent, been looking forward to this for sometime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,530 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Saw an interview with Robert Downey Jr saying Cillian is Killing it 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Why is the IFI saying it’s unallocated seats for the 70mm screenings? Sounds like you have to get there early to get a good spot? Or is the screen really good and it doesn’t make much of a difference?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I booked tickets for opening weekend and got to choose seats.

    Screen one in the IFI is absolutely fine in most seats, but the first 2-3 rows are far too close to the screen so you want to avoid them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Ha, yeh it seems to be just for the very first showing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭cmac2009


    There was a good interview with Cillian in the guardian at the weekend. As much as he detests interviews they are usually a great read.

    They're complex characters those Cork boys!

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/jul/08/cillian-murphy-oppenheimer-christopher-nolan-florence-pugh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,556 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Haven't watched this yet, but from a couple of Twitter clips this looks like a good interview with Nolan, Cillian Murphy, Robert Downey Jr, Emily Blunt and Matt Damon. Half hour long...




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Haven’t looked forward to going to the cinema so much since Dunkirk for the second time

    Taking my son to this Friday lunchtime and from the reviews so far he will never forget it



  • Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭pjcb


    Go see it in IMAX says Nolan except there aren't that many of them...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,916 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    What a **** **** joke. Checked Odeon Limerick for screen times and it doesn't have a single showing on screen 1. Barbie gets those honours. You'd think they'd throw in a screen 1 showing every couple of days even but no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,814 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    is there an IMAX in Dublin? , my default for big films is The Point

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,208 ✭✭✭✭B.A._Baracus


    Was going to ask this myself but it appears Cineworld have an Imax and 4Dx whatever that is :p



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Cineworld has ‘fake IMAX’ - ie an IMAX branded digital screen. I think a few other multiplexes have them as well now. It is not the full, proper film-based IMAX experience you’ll be getting in somewhere line London or Manchester.

    As previously mentioned, if you’re in Dublin, try for the film versions - ideally 70mm in IFI, or alternatively 35mm in Light House or IFI.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,814 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    thanks, I memory from years ago was that Dublin didnt have one or was only a "fake" one, but saw an advert on a bus for the movie with IMAX in the ad

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,556 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Yeah, Odeon in Blanch has an "IMAX" screen but I assume it's the same story



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,916 ✭✭✭✭Zero-Cool


    I see Omniplex has a MAXX screen, looks to be about as good as I'll get.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Here’s the full official format guide which IMO breaks it all down very well:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    The digital Imax in Cineworld is a decent option for Ireland. I've gone to London to see a few things in Imax there, and it doesn't compare obviously.

    I had thought Lighthouse had it in 70mm too but I must have been confused. I'll have to go to the IFI so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    4DX has seats that move and vibrate, as smoke and mist sprays. It can be good, depending on the circumstances, and the movie you see.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Unless something changes in the future, IFI is the only 70mm capable cinema in Ireland. So, barring the unlikely event of a new one showing up somewhere, it’ll be the only option for any 70mm film, assuming they get a print (and there’ll be no option for 70mm IMAX, because we don’t have a proper IMAX screen on the island of Ireland).

    Although just to note Palas cinema in Galway is also showing 35mm for anyone who wants to see it on film outside Dublin (haven’t heard of any other 35mm screenings anywhere else). With all cinemas though, makes sure to book the right version as most venues with film version are also showing digital versions (and IFI also has 35mm alongside 70mm).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    The last 70mm film I saw was Dune in the IFI a few years back. I was really disappointed, mostly due to the quality of the 70mm print that was used.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,806 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Unfortunately repertory screenings of film prints will always be a bit of a crapshoot, as the prints will have been subject to wear and tear over the years. I often appreciate the imperfections of the old film print alongside the analogue colour, but no doubt some prints are better than others :)

    On the plus side though the Oppenheimer prints will all be brand new so it’s a perfect chance to catch them before they’ve started accruing the scratches and imperfections that come with the territory!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,095 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    What are the chances of being able to hear the dialogue in this one?



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