Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

The reality is that science doesn't define gender, society does. Science defines biological sex but accepts the social construct as regrds the definition of gender. If that weren't the case, there'd be no such thing as transgender or reassigning gender; and clearly there is - people do it every day.

The "reality" you claim is that gender and biological sex are the same thing - they aren't.

They don't. It's all horseshit.

I said it's based on characteristics of masclinity and femininity. There is a wide spectrum of people who base their gender on said characteristics.

You need to stop listening to Regina, whoever she/he/they are/is.

What you're kind of saying is that everything is red or blue, there's no such things pink, purple, indigo or violet, lilac, lavender and so on...

Did you not read Wikipedia link I kindly sent you

I did. No sign of a definition.

I replied to the second one - didn't see the first one - but it's something I'd be inclined to agree with the posters on: there is an extremist element that , for some reason, posters like Tiktok and I kill you scum seem to follow. The problem there is, it's confirmation bias: they only pay attention to these morons because it justifies their own pre-set biases. The moderates will have more logical and respectful viewepoints that the posters can't debate with, so they don't follow or engage with them.

Someone said earlier that the trans community has an element of followers that are absolutely toxic - and they were dead right - but it's like as if was to following only nazis on Twitter and then try and claim that all conservatives were the same.

I should have clarified that I meant a response from the user that they had initially replied to.

I agree with everything you say though.

In reality it’s not even a molehill 🙄

Your question remains because you’re choosing to ignore the definition that’s provided in the bill, which is the only one that matters in the context of legislation that is passed. That’s why I made the point that you don’t have to stress over the definition of gender as only one of the protected characteristics, and you can easily avoid falling foul of the legislation by acknowledging that other people have an equal right to be protected from prejudice and discrimination as you do!

This particular legislation in any case isn’t an example of a law based on a feeling, it’s based on an objective standard that’s defined in the bill, same as the rest of the protected characteristics defined in the bill, none of which are any more or less important than each other.

The American Supreme Court decision? Not really relevant in Ireland with very different laws.

Sheesh! I dunno whether it’s that you’re steeped in culture wars BS or what it is, but again you’re using the correct decision, wrong application. But by way of returning the favour, I’d suggest you familiarise yourself with US Federal and State Law related to protected characteristics, including but not limited to the following -

• Race
• Age
• Color
• Religion/faith
• Sex
• National origin or ancestry
• Disability
• Genetic information
• Citizenship
• Veteran status

They do the same thing differently in the US, and from their perspective, they would say we in Europe do the same thing differently here, and they’d have a fair point. We do, like recent legislation including protection from discrimination in employment related to people who are transgender, and victims of domestic violence -

• The right to request flexible working hours for parents and carers who provide care and support for children and persons who need significant care and support for serious medical reasons
• Five days of unpaid leave for medical care purposes for carers and parents who meet the above criteria
• The right to request remote working for any employee
• The extension of breastfeeding breaks to cover the first two years
• The right to take maternity leave for transgender men
• Five days of paid leave for victims of domestic violence

https://www.sage.com/en-ie/blog/work-life-balance-and-miscellaneous-provisions-act/amp/

The bill in this particular context is intended to prohibit discrimination and prejudice against everyone (and there’s where it is universal, if you insist), to protect everyone from discrimination and prejudice based upon the protected characteristics included in this particular piece of legislation.

It’s updating existing legislation which already included the protected characteristic of gender. It’s a separate piece of legislation to the legislation which applies in the context of education or employment. It’s separate legislation from the legislation which recognises people’s right to freedom of expression.

Basic stuff.

Interesting how you are overly concerned for Asian Americans. In your worldview that means you discriminate against everyone but Asian Americans.