Lana Del Rey - 3Arena - Friday 7th July

I have tickets too and while it has the ‘transfer’ and ‘sell’ boxes, they are not operational yet. And may not be. We’ll have to wait and see

It’s not illegal. It’s in t&c’s that transfer and resale options are not guaranteed and that’s it’s up to discretion of promoter/artist to allow those options.

they are placing those restrictions in order to minimise touting.

if you don’t allow transfer until a short window you greatly reduce the attractiveness for a tout to buy tickets as they only have a day or two to unload all the tickets.

it makes it a pain to be a professional tout

well you can always sell on toutless and transfer it across (even if morphing code).

selling on screenshots will no longer work

No no no!! Just stop.

It makes it a breeze to be a professional tout, TM is king tout and to suggest they care about anti tout measures is nothing but utter delusion. selling face value set price tickets for over 4 times the price. They used to pretend they were seatwave now no need the operation has been smooth sailing regardless.

Its a grey area.

In the Uk there is a law, The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 Act.

It states:

A trader will be committing an offence if it does any of the following:

• omits material information that the average consumer needs, according to the context, to make an informed decision about a transaction
• hides or provides material information in an unclear, unintelligible, ambiguous or untimely manner

Not stating that transfer will not be enabled at purchase is definitely a breach of this.

Not stating that there will be a delivery delay is also a breach of this.

The UK Consumer Marketing Authority have also been clear on this in the past, its no good hiding stuff away in the terms and conditions, it has to be upfront on the main purchasing page.

So what Ticketmaster are doing is illegal in the UK, I'm not sure if there is similar legislation here bit I'd imagine there is.

There is no equivalent law to my knowledge in ireland so not illegal and even again ticketmaster ireland t&c’s clear both the hurdles you brought up

• 6. DELIVERY
• 6.1 We aim to dispatch Tickets as soon as possible. We are not able to specify the exact dates of dispatch, as the arrangements for dispatch depend on several factors, including when we are in possession of the ticket stock used for a particular event. For some events, we receive ticket stock from our Event Partners very close to the event date.

People are told that delivery dates are not confirmed and subject to being very close to the event.

• 7.1 We offer "Ticket Transfer" functionality in respect of many events. You can use Ticket Transfer, where available, to transfer Tickets you have purchased to your friends and family by logging into your Ticketmaster account and following the instructions.

And in regards to transfer it states that it offers it for many events, not all.

it provides material information to customers to make an informed that decision that ticket transfer is not a guarantee and tickets may arrive very close to the event.

Look enough of defending Ticketmaster please, you obviously have some vested interest and are blinded to their abuse of their position.

Its no good hiding stuff away in the terms and conditions, which you have just mentioned, it has to be upfront on the main purchasing page.

Do you understand this, upfront on the main purchase page, not some drop down box, not something buried away in terms and conditions.

There was never a need for a delivery delay with Irish events before this year, none.

This was before there was strict legislation on resale so for you to state that the delay is to deter touting is nonsense.

There's a real element of "a bird in the hand" about that. After this morning, I'm sure you're happy to be in the building.

Give fans fair access to the best tickets my arse. And the comparison to airline tickets is just inaccurate. Airlines (especially Ryanair) put up the price of the last remaining tickets to say €250-350 on a busy flight so that they can afford to offer some of the initially available tickets at very low prices like €10-20. Ticketmaster are keeping the presale tickets at high prices and just price gouging on the tickets left for general sale based on the high demand for these. It does nothing beneficial for fans like they claim.

Not defending ticketmaster, but if you state that X is illegal when it isn’t I’m just correcting you.

relevant information to some has always been included in terms and conditions.

tickets are usually in people’s account instantly, only for very high profile shows is there a delay till closer.

and yes having a short transfer window for tickets does inhibit the tout market.

ticketmaster official line is that it is for security purposes

touts sell tickets through twitter, Fb, Instagram etc you name it

Friends have bought tickets through social media for sold out shows for a premium aka definition of touting.

unsurprisingly in 2023 social media platforms and accounts are used to buy and sell things.

actually there is a website called irishtouts.com as the eBay for touts.

you should check it out.

The website was a joke when you didn’t get.

as for touts a quick search on any social media platform shows people selling tickets at tout prices to sold out shows. Are some of these scams? For sure, not denying that but from anecdotal evidence a number of these are legit touts selling tickets for double etc of face value.

similar to how touting websites like viagogo etc are a mixture of touts with legit tickets and scammers.

using “touting” to define live nation/ticketmaster selling platinum or demand tickets incorrect as the first of all the money is directly going to the artist. No third party is profiting from the ticket sale nor is a third party buying them to resell. Any definition of a ticket tout is someone buying tickets at one price and selling at an inflated price.

personally I don’t think platinum tickets should exist, artists/promoters in situations when it’s going to be sold out should instead hold back the best seats and offer them at a premium. People get a better view for a premium to a sold out show. That’s fairer to all involved. The customer gets a tangibly better product for a premium price.

as to specific situation of MCD announcing LDR being sold out whilst platinum tickets still available (not resale) that is obviously not proper.

I do understand that tickets that may have been held back for a number of legit reasons such as promoter holds, production holds can be released after a promoter has declared x is sold out.

also there is situations where tickets bought yesterday may have been cancelled, payment rescinded or flagged for fraud etc thus those tickets go back on sale after a public announcement of sold out.

also the artist allotment/hold of tickets may have changed and thus more are released.

should a promoter not announce “sold out” to a show cause they may be hold tickets but on sale at some point in the future, between holds and resale tickets no massive show or festival is truly sold out these days.

I never said all the money from platinum or on demand etc going to the artist. The extra money from selling platinum does go the artist, not 100% as obviously there is VAT and promoter taking agreed split.

a promoter may not currently have any more tickets they can sell, hence announcing sold out.

as listed above there is a ton of legit reasons why between announcing sold out and the show happening that additional tickets are made available.

to give examples: artist and promoters agree guestlist numbers. An arena artist like Lana Del Rey may require for the promoter to hold back 50 seats in the contract for each show. A few days or day of the show the agent/tour manager tells promoter “hey we don’t need 50 guestlist, only need 20. Sell the rest”.

People complain when promoters don’t announce if something is sold out.

similarly an agent may tell promoter to hold back certain rows near the stage as they don’t yet know what the set up will exactly be.

you often see promoters announce releasing these tickets as production tickets after they previously announced it being sold out.

Again the promoter at the time when announcing the sold out show didn’t know if these extra tickets would be made available.

This is still six days away, why so many comments when the gig hasn't even happened yet. :)

A long shot but desperate times call for desperate measures...

Anyone selling 2 tickets (I'd take anything at this stage) failed on presale and general. Very few resale coming up and those that are are 600euro plus for 2 tickets. Giving up hope on the scammers on facebook and donedeal and getting tired of refreshing ticketmaster. I am desperate.

Please take pity on me!!

The Platinum tickets seem to have been removed.

I always wonder how there can be production seats in a venue like the 3Arena for basic shows especially if its standing downstairs.

Its not like other arena style venues where there are seats behind the stage.

Most of the time these "production" tickets are actually VIP holdbacks or demand manipulation, how can there be production tickets for an act like a standup comedian for example.

I can understand production tickets on the floor but not in tiered seating.

Any info on stage times lads? No support announced?

Edit: grand, up on the 3 Arena Twitter now.

It's unlikely to bring about a ticket but I'm desperate. If you're genuine and have any ticket standing or seating for sale tomorrow PM me.

Re ticketmaster discussion, see link below to have a feel pf who they are

https://prospect.org/power/ticketmasters-dark-history/

Yeah. About fifteen at Entrance 1 and I'd twenty to twenty-five at Entrance 3. This was at 7:20, as I say.

They all want to be on the barrier, so that they might get a hug from Lana.

You'd be surprised at the energy they can derive from monster and cherry cola vapes, if an ill meaning songstress wanted to she could take over the world.

Decided to get the bus to Dublin on the off chance a ticket pokes up in the meantime.

If someone genuinely wants to offload one, I could be the solution.

Face2Face & Initial price only standing preferable, not open to negotiating stupid prices so not to waste anyone's time.

Will be in Dublin sometime after 7 see how it goes...