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When's calving starting 2023

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    Yup the bull is considerably bigger. The heifer was out first but about an hour later it was thrown out and doing the death roar. Tubed her straight away and vet gave here metacam we were sure the cow had stood on the calf but 3 hours later up she got and is flying it thankfully I'd say you are right nature was kicking in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,317 ✭✭✭jfh


    Regarding the castrating the calves with the lamb rings, I have been meaning to do it but hesitant incase it goes wrong, I take it, that it would need to be done in the first two days?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    I do it within first 7 days. An odd one goes to 8 days and never an issue. Just make sure that both balls are down below the ring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,317 ✭✭✭jfh


    Thanks dunedin, I have no excuse so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Decent heifer calf leaves 2 to go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    @GNWoodd I meant to say this is the girl that put out the calf bed two years ago. No problems both calves since but the only thing was that she slipped her date a bit and obviously is bit of a late calver now so that’s still two strikes. Young cow I’d say we’ll let her run on another year as long as she goes in calf ok



  • Registered Users Posts: 602 ✭✭✭GNWoodd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    And that’s us down to one



  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭James2022



    Very quiet. I can get into the pen with the majority that have calved. If I'm assisting calving I just get into the pen when the cow is having contractions and put the straps on. Cows only go up the crush if there is a major problem and for helping suckle I just put a bit of meal in front of the cow. It's only heifers I put up the crush to make life easier on the calf and so I can move on to the next job. This is when I'm on site, I've plenty of cows I just walk away and keep an eye on the cameras. I fill in a diary every year for each calving saying what signs the cow makes coming up to calving and on the day, does she usually calve early or late, does she pace around the pen endlessly or does she lay down and get on with it, does she go mad when the calf is born or does she calmly lick it, does she stand to be suckled, all udders working, can I get into the pen or is she dangerous post calving etc. I'd say thats the biggest help of all.


    I am very against tubing unless there is no other way. It hurts the calf which then delays them suckling, they have to recover and then get interested in suckling again which can take 8-12 hours sometimes, like you said it can take a few days which means you have to tube again which has a further knock on effect. I'd tube 1 in 30 or 40 and only as a last resort. Hearing guys tube every calf regardless is mad but dairy calves are a whole other breed and potential problems.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    FIL had a simx heifer calf Friday, very small calf. We put the cow in the crush to milk her as the calf couldn't reach her tits. All she has in all four quarters is water. Its not mastitis or anything just watery milk. Did any of you ever see that before or do you think she would come right if she was milked out everyday? She is a lovely animal and it's a shame if she is no good. Wee calf is hardy, but I am guessing the poor quality milk & him been scrunted are connected.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Never saw that before but there are a couple of red flags there on her part. Hopefully she will come good and rear the wee calf for you at self. We had one that had a smallish bull calf the first year, a dwarfy enough heifer calf the next year and then she melted into nothing herself over a winter but calved a tiny wee thing that didn’t last the night. Got her into a bit of flesh and she weighed up round 650kgs seemed to be just one that couldn’t hack being in calf. Gone now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,405 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I'm sure we all have had heifers calving small calves so I wouldn't be over worried about that - a lot depends on management, the heifer putting up teeth, background worm/tick issue etc. Regarding the watery milk - I wonder was there another in calf heifer sucking her or maybe another calf prior to her calving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    I don’t keep up to date with this thread too much but I’d say I’d post this. I have 3 cows running late to calf and they are in a small paddock beside the yard. The first of the 3 calved yesterday. There is some ease at calving this time of year. Practically no work involved. It would make you think. I know you won’t have a strong weanling for selling but for anyone keeping calves through the winter it should be looked at. Definitely suit a system where the cows could follow a priority group so as not to be bursting with milk altogether



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Yep Neighbour does it. Long evenings Fine weather. Makes things handy. Run the last years calves ahead of them or ewes even. Makes things simple.cows go incalf easy too. No stress on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    And that’s a wrap. Last girl calved herself yesterday a nice heifer calf. One for keeping.

    have often thought about how handy it is having them calve this time

    of year as well




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    You could keep the calves under the cows in the shed for the first half of the winter. Calves on slats and a creep gate.

    Its hard to beat outdoor calving, easier on man and beast



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,038 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Outdoor calving can be a problem though when things go wrong. Trying to get an excited heifer with the calf's legs sticking out, into the yard at 4am on your own is no fun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Good light across the field. Electric wire guide her in and most importantly easy calving bull



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,038 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Ya, I have all those, just saying it ain't all plain sailing. I am a big fan of it myself. Great when you can just sit there on the edge of the field on a rock or whatever and watch the calf get up and drink away on it's own.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Bit of hay in the evenings and anything you have a doubt about, stick under the camera

    Trick is to keep them on a bare bare paddock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,056 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    At this time of year milk fever can be a problem. A bare paddock with possibly a bale of hay can prevent it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Cows tend to be in good condtion coming to calving. Extra grass is driving calf size and thus a harder calving. A small pick of grass and loads of hay is perfect for the final 3 weeks before calving. At the moment strip wire is really needed to keep the ground bare



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,056 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Down to the last couple here now. Had a cow calved on Tues morning. I just pulled the calf out before milking and stomach tubed him after milking. Was doing other stuff for the morning and when I checked on him there was blood everywhere. Don't know if the cow pulled the navel or what. I cleaned it and put cable ties on it. Put purple spray on it and he's getting pen strep. It took alot out of him and he's standing today. Never a dull moment



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭Seanhorse91


    Dam Minus 1.9kg for milk. Figure that one out

    Pabo Peredur S3883 heifer calf. A keeper despite what ICBF say

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,056 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Don't know if I posted this here . Pb Angus heifer calved unassisted on Saturday born December 2021. Heifer calf. Only realised she was in calf last week




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    @Seanhorse91 I ve seen cows with smaller udders in milking parlours, best of luck with them. Ye I really don't understand the ICBF figures something. But what I do know is you wouldn't want to basing you framing decisions on them anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,038 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Just in from calving a cow. The feet were out for over an hour and no progress. Feet looked big enough too. Had her in a small field near the shed but no way could I get her in. She ended up running across the field in the dark. Managed to get the ropes on when she stood near a couple of other cows.

    While she kept standing, I managed to pull the calf. I was nearly flat to the ground with the calf held at the hips. Ropes cutting into my hands. Large lively bull calf by LM4027.

    The things we do at times. Mad at myself for not putting her in the shed earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Just after calveing the last for the year, unknown twins out of a jersey cross screwy type suckler.

    First comeing with head bent a bit sideways, second surprise comeing backwards, and well down inside her.

    She only has two tits of milk I see now, and it was only when i finished tubing her first calf, that I stuck my hand inside her by chance before I let her out of calveing gate to find a second set of feet.

    Just back now from running the roads for beeslence, waiting to tube second calf now. They are weak looking so in the hands of God what there future will be.


    I'd say you were sweating patsy after the running and then stress. You leaveing all outside till morning and hope it sucks itself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,038 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Just checked them there. He was up walking around. She looks like he drank her. I made a mental note of her udder and fullness last night.

    Best of luck with the twins.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Quick 1 - do many give suckler cows meal over the summer like dairy nuts to keep milk supply ticking over and to help bring them bulling ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,056 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    No. Just good grass and mineral links. Have a creep feeder for the calves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭Sami23




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,056 ✭✭✭✭whelan2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭Sami23


    No not really.

    Was just asking in general as I always give then a sprinkle after they go out to avoid tetany and just curious if others do the same or feed a small amount over the summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Last cow calved today. Slipped from Paddy's Day last year which was very disappointing.

    Can anyone tell me why the f@#k when you try to put a calf sucking all he wants to do is reverse and let his legs go weak. Just goes totally against you 😤



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,038 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Ya, it's weird alright. Or when you push them forward, they stick in their front legs and their back legs lift up. It's like a survival instinct or something. Predators can't push them around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Ah it's brutal carry on is what it is. I just wanted to make sure she got a suck but had to leave her to her own devices in the end and hope for the best.

    Annoying thing is she was sucking mad at underside at front of the cow before I tried her



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,405 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    The second last calved yesterday. A good enough blue grey heifer calf. Calved unassisted, up and sucking by herself. The dam (3rd calver) is a AAx, sire is our own Shorthorn bull. The cow calved on the 21st of August last year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,038 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Here's a tip that might be useful to someone. Had a cow calf here night before last. Watching her closely out in a small field beside the shed. She's normally quiet enough , even let me put Stockholm Tar on her teats in the field. Anyway I had to go collect calves for a neighbour just as she started calving. She had calved when I got back. A big bull. She was shaking the head at me, so I let them be.

    Calf couldn't stand even after about 2 hours. Dark now and raining and he kept sliding down a slippery slope. Cow getting more agitated as I tried to get near the calf. Anyway I got the tractor and transport box and from the tractor seat, threw a small lifting strap over the calves head and pulled him up onto the box. Held onto him and drove into the calving pen and dropped him off on the straw. Cow came right in after him and I got her in the gate with some meal. Stood him up and got him to drink from one teat. No way could I get him on another. Fought me all the way.

    Crazy as it sounds, it's a good safe way to take away calves like that from a potentially dangerous cow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Had to do the same with an older cow outdoors on a filthy wet night last March. A search light was beamed into to her eyes from the boundary, the calf was snatched fairly lively into the transport box.. she didn't know where the calf had gone, got her in when the calf was sorted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭hopeso


    I had a cow here years ago, and the transport box trick was used every year without fail. I had a 165 back then, so the process was snatch the calf into the box, and leap in through the back of the cab. I remember the first year after I got a tractor with a closed in cab. I was wondering how I was going to manage it. I reversed the box up to the calf, who was standing at the time. I still don't know how it happened, but the cow hit the calf with her head, and knocked him straight into the box. I couldn't believe my luck. After that it was just the usual process of her doing two laps of the paddock before landing into the shed.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,307 ✭✭✭tanko


    I’ve a useful tip too, put the cow in the calving pen or at least in the shed before she calves, mad idea i know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    I rachet strapped a ring feeder to the loader and dropped it over a new born calf in a field that I wasn’t sure if it sucked or not. Gave it a bottle of survivor and safe from the cow. Not ideal but kept the calf alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,865 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    The older cows can't hack the slats, are outdoors for the last couple of weeks. Only the ones that are obviously going to calve that day/night are put in the calving shed, saves cleaning up after them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,038 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    That was the plan but she wouldn't leave her calving spot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24 Suckler farmer


    Morning all

    Pretty sure we have a heifer calf by the neighbours bull. Any advice registering the calf? Should we get tag number off the neighbour or leave blank



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    If you are in scep don’t. I got stung a couple of years ago. Went to the trouble of getting tag number off my neighbour for his bull that did the deed and then got penalised because I couldn’t record docility etc of the bull because he wasn’t in my herd. Would have been better off just sticking down a random AI code



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