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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    A specialist EV repairer like John Earls Motors could potentially repair it for a reasonable price rather than have a main dealer throw parts at it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,395 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I have no idea why that €13k Ioniq hasn't sold yet. As @zg3409 says, probably have that for €11-11.5k and particularly if you do high miles, buying it out of warranty for a good €4k less than the same car in warranty costs and you are already in the money even in worst case scenario. Most likely you will have no problems at all and then the car will turn out to be the cheapest possible in total cost of ownership, even cheaper than a diesel banger someone would give you for free.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,354 ✭✭✭positron


    The driver side front door just won't open - from inside or out. Looks like the door lock actuator failed. And given that the door is stuck shut, local Renault dealers are saying that they will have to remove the driver seat, entire door card will need replacement as it can't be removed without damaging it, and then the actuator of course. Supposedly a 6-7 hour job, so parts (800-1000) + 6-7 hours of labour @ €90 per hour. And oh, three weeks to get parts in! Renault doesn't have a mechanical keyhole for driver side (it's on the passenger side, strangely enough).

    Unfortunately for us, we have small kids and a lot of special needs / access type appointments, so really need a car, like yesterday!

    Car is practically unusable without the driver side front door access - of course some people can climb in thru the front passenger side door and over the central console etc, but it could be death-trap in case of an accident or any emergency (especially with young kids in the car).

    It's a 2017 model, so about a year out of warranty. I don't know if Renault will do anything given the safety nature of the fault - the folks at the dealership had no nice words other than this is expected when a car is more than 5 years old. I have owned Hyundai and Hondas before this and never bad a bother (in fact the neighbour who bought the 2005 Honda Accord still drive it around, like new) but like you said yourself - it could happen to any car I suppose. Just massively frustrated. Should have bought the Ionic in 2017.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭User1998


    Its likely to depreciate another 50% over the next 3/4 years, particularly if your doing high mileage. So probably not the cheapest but I get the idea.



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,395 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    What's your mileage savings compared to diesel? Probably a lot more than that €5500 you suggest it will lose over the next 4 years!

    Then the much cheaper maintenance, cheaper tax, cheaper insurance, cheaper tolls

    That's why I specifically said if you do high mileage! If you do very low miles, a banger free diesel is probably cheaper...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,979 ✭✭✭kirving


    Unless you're getting goodwill, I wouldn't be going to a dealer for this type of work. They won't be calling a locksmith to get it open, just rip and replace parts as the book says, while charging you dealer labour rates for non-specialist work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    There is no reason you can't pick up used parts and have a body shop do it if you can't manage it yourself. An entire door, less the glass is about €300. Contact a couple of scrap yards, or order online if you don't mind paying delivery charges for it. Book it in at your local body shop and it should be done inside of a day. They would have all the parts needed in the donor door.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    I’m not familiar with Renaults but the usual solution to this on a VAG group car is a Sabre Saw or large hacksaw blade through the door striker latch. Should be able to do this from inside the car by reclining the seat back. Once the door is swung open, you can easily take off the door card without damaging it. Obviously the latch is sacrificed but these are cheap and likely common to several other Renault cars. Will save some hours of labour and an expensive door card. You might end up with minor paint scratches on the inner door jamb via this method but who cares.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,729 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Ask others have said ring around car keys lost type guys, locksmiths or car entry experts. It's likely to be common across the group of cars. Someone will know a quick fix.

    I suggest hunt on YouTube and the likes for those with similar issues.

    I know nissan did similar for mechanical key on drivers door only, for European models but wrong side for UK/irl cars. I had a fight with a locksmith to make me a backup key, that only opens wrong side. Better than only having one key.

    I un child locked a car door once where outside handle was broken and child lock was on. A YouTube video later and a butter knife from inside in the right place turned off child lock. Similar may be possible to unlock door with minimal damage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭poker--addict



    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volkswagen-id-3-life-145hp-58kwh-free-500-ryana/33772521

    can this KM be right? 106,000km in 2 and a bit years? I can feel the back pain even thinking about it, and the logistical nightmare of keeping power in the battery...

    😎



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,079 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    It's about 220km per day. Could be someone living in a Carlow etc and travelling to Dublin 5 days a week, 48 weeks a year.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 65,395 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    A commute from Carlow to the outskirts of Dublin takes less time than from a Dublin suburb to the city centre. Also charging is painless, just charge to full every night while you sleep. An EV is of course the perfect vehicle to do such a commute as it saves the guts of €5k in fuel alone per year compared to diesel



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭fits


    no Matter what you do it in 220 km a day five days a week is tough going.

    bought the Id.3 for similar commute twice a week but thankfully don’t have to do it now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Easily done with a big comfy barge with all the toys. Unfortunately I don’t think there’s any EV that fits the bill.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭fits


    220 km a day? No thanks. I don’t care what it’s in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Would be no bother in the Model 3. Most comfortable and supportive seats I have experienced in ANY car....and I have a bad back....bad enough to need a blue badge. My commute is 35km each way and an average of 45 mins, 5 or 6 days a week. In the Leaf, I needed to use a special foam support pillow for my lower back to prevent significant pain. Same in my E200k before that and a few other luxo barges and SUVs I tried out before settling on the Leaf for other reasons. The M3 leaves me feeling normal, with no extra support needed and no pain exiting the car.

    Toys....it's got all I need. Plenty of other EVs fit the bill and as long as the range is there, the tech and toys are generally superior to any sub 100k stock ICE.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,395 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Could be just a bit over 2 hours a day. I'd much rather do that than the 30km commute I had for many years from Lucan to the north east inner city which took me 3 hours a day. And don't tell me I should have cycled as I needed to be on stand by to go to a customer site anywhere in the country at any time, so needed my car.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    Could you not have parked up the car in a spot like Red cow carpark or equivalent as it may not have been there back then and cycle to work from there and quickly cycle back to the car and then drive on to any where in the country?



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,395 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    There was no Red Cow carpark back then nor any LUAS 😂

    But no, that's the guts of an hour's cycle to there, I would have needed to go on site without that sort of delay

    I alleviated the commute time a bit by starting work at about 09:30 and working until about 18:15. Otherwise it would have been well over 3 hours. This was in the late 90s BTW. Traffic in the city centre these days is nowhere near as bad as it was then



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭fafy


    unusually, this has increased in price, in last 2 days, it was 30k, now 30,500, must be a new strategy !



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭September1


    Or seller learned that you must always give a discount when selling to other people so price was adjusted to make 500 euro discount possible.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,729 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I upped the price on a sale recently. I got loads of calls and first one I held for dropped out, so I took down ad, then relisted it a few weeks later for a higher price and it sold quickly, but that was for a 10 year old 130 up to 150 euro fish tank!. Maybe seller got loads of calls. As you say it's best to lust a bit high and you can always drop price if there is no bites after a few weeks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,296 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    Care to show you calculations for 5k fuel savings?


    I'd guess it's closer to 3k, still nothing to be sniffed at



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,395 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I just made a guess but let's do the sums

    Depends of course on your electricity rate, I pay 7.9c incl VAT at the moment and about half the car charging is from solar PV so completely free. But let's say you don't have that. We are talking about the car doing 53k km per year

    In a frugal diesel that would use say 45MPG and in a frugal EV say 15kWh / 100km, diesel is €1.60 and electricity is 8c, That means €5322 in diesel or €636 in electricity. So my figure turns out to be pretty ball park. Even if you pay 12c electricity (I think currently the cheapest option available, but likely coming down in the next while), the difference is still €4.4k, I would still call that "the guts of 5k"



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,296 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    Nice but we can't use your rate😊

    Who's offering 12c? Are you ignoring the double standing charge and tax etc on your calcs? Not nit picking but all this is important for people making these decisions



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 ddcluracan


    Actually I do 52,000km a year and just got a model 3. I am getting 15.3Kwh/100km (mainly motorway driving). Old diesel was doing 5.9l/100km. My night rate at present is 0.22c. By my calculations I am still saving 2,790 euro per year. This effectively halves my loan repayment for the new car. And as Electricity prices normalise this will only get better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 315 ✭✭Stevie2001


    Your saving a lot on fuel alright, but that deprecation on that Model 3 gonna be a killer, it will have 260,000km on it in 5 years, not gonna be worth much come trade time, probably depreciating at €5000/€6000 a year for first few years, while your old diesel wouldn't have no deprecation, but I suppose servicing costs etc would cancel that out

    You know your estimated electric pricing and price you are actually paying is gonna be out by a bit, most chargers at the wall are 80-85% efficient, they thought it was much less like 5-10% loss, but many studies are showing it's closer to 15-20%, so your bill will be more like 26c a unit than 22c a unit

    Electricity won't be going down this year anyway, Winter is coming and no way prices gonna drop into winter



  • Registered Users Posts: 28 ddcluracan


    I will know more about elec. cheaper efficiency as time goes on and I get some data. But all use of fuel or electric has efficiency loss. As for depreciation I do not factor that as I generally keep a car for 7+ years. I am not worried about resale at that point. My previous diesel has 454,000kms. I got a new electric car for longevity anyway.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,970 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    It's worth mentioning that AC charging losses are a function of the hardware in the car rather than the AC charge point. The wall box itself does not do any AC/DC conversion any losses there will be transmission losses that should in no way approach such high numbers.

    One thing to consider, AC charging losses are lower on higher voltage systems, the losses on a domestic 230V supply are lower than charging from a US 110V. A factor of 10% is more accurate for here.



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