You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the Left - read OP

You've managed to circumvent reality in quite an astonishing way.

You take the quote I made above several pages back and completely fail to understand it and take it wildly out of context. Bravo.

Then you go on to list out elected sitting TD's as exemplars for left wing politicians that no one takes seriously. They're all not taken seriously to the point that they were elected to the Dail.

The idea of a credible argument from a leftist is laughable and you've proven that beautifully above.

Oh the grammar issue exists, you should have said "being in parliament doesn't equate to them being in government" or something to that effect.

I don't like saying things like that about peoples grammar but you persist with it to the point that it's difficult to understand what you're saying. I wouldn't mind if you hadn't been so rude to me previously.

The far left are literally in parliament and you suggest they aren't any sort of threat? The far right are not comparable to the far left in Ireland yet you would put them on an equal footing.

I'm sorry but you can't ignore reality to suit your beliefs. I'm not moving goalposts here, you are, yet you accuse me of the same. I'm dealing in facts, you are dealing in opinion.

And if you want to pin your hopes of winning an argument on another posters opinions I'd suggest looking beyond the poster you named and their ill informed fact-phobic diatribes.

You can't have understood what I said correctly and then written the rest of that post.

You dismiss the potential of Sinn Fein et al even though Sinn Fein received more votes than any other party in the last general election.

The current coalition was cobbled together to ensure Sinn Fein couldn't get into power, it wasn't starting from a position of strength. And make no mistake things have not improved in relation to the issues people were led to vote for Sinn Fein for. Housing health etc are all still a disaster, but they will be exponentially worse with a coalition of Sinn Fein and assorted lefties in power.

Making grandiose claims about free this and free that for all has been Sinn Fein's calling card, and that is not actionable at all, add to that the "nationalise everything" rhetoric of People Before Profit etc and you have a recipe for disaster.

These grifters could very well come to power on the back of promises of easy solutions that they could ruin the country attempting to deliver.

There is a more compelling case to be made for the potential danger posed by the left than there is for danger posed by the far right in this country.

One is stronger than the other.

This is measurable through election results.

Here... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Irish_general_election

So when you say that the far left isn't any stronger than the far right you're not making a statement based in fact as illustrated above.

You're not making sense, and I'm guessing it's because the facts outlined above are something you haven't been conversant with until now. Not that it stopped you from speaking as some sort of authority on the subject.

Your point a few posts back was that neither the far right or far left had the numbers to be a threat. The facts don't corroborate that as outlined in the election results.

Sure, but why prescribe them (to children) in the first place, in most cases after minimal consultation, given the irreversible damage they can cause. Comparing to something like Tylenol is disingenuous. They are marketed by the gender affirmation lot as reversible and harmless. Shocking really. An afront to all existing medical science.

I started off by saying that the far left don't have the numbers to be a threat. You're responce to this is to exaggerate to say that they might get in as a very minor party in a left-wing coalation (which, counting the seats of all the parties you mention, is still 20-25 seats away from that possibility.

So essentially, what you've done here is presented a strwaman argument. You've gone from saying "the far left have the numbers to be a threat" to "the far left have the numbers to be a threat in coalittion" to "the the left have the numbers to be a threat in coalition" - and assumed that I should be scared of the left. And that IS scaremongering.

It also neatly brings us back to my original point: the only way people can present the left as a threat is with exaggeration

The scarmongering was in you saying we should be scared of everything left.

Again - I'm not worried about any far-x wing party getting into power - that's you not me.

Back to the point where you're not reading the posts, then. Leaving you here because that's not the basis for a discussion.

(FYI - I put it forward as an opinion based on your posts a page or two back - I never claimed verbatim)

You can't have understood what I said correctly and then written the rest of that post. 

I can, and I did.

You dismiss the potential of Sinn Fein et al even though Sinn Fein received more votes than any other party in the last general election. 

Yes, I do, because as you’ve demonstrated - just because there is the potential for something to happen, doesn’t mean it will actually happen. More often, it doesn’t happen, which is why until it actually happens, then I have no concern for its potential to happen, specifically the idea that the Left presents any kind of a potential credible threat to the current status quo.

In a similar fashion, I dismiss the notion of the potential for religion being removed from religious ethos schools or parents who are religious being discriminated against in the Irish education system as is often proposed by Leftists - they tend have a fairly flimsy grasp of Irish Constitutional Law and International Human Rights Law.

There is a more compelling case to be made for the potential danger posed by the left than there is for danger posed by the far right in this country.

That proposition has nothing to do with this discussion though which is only concerned with whether or not there is any dangers coming from the Left. There aren’t, and because I’m right-leaning politically already, I’m certainly not going to start perceiving or portraying right-leaning policies as a threat. That seems like an obvious point to make though.

The crux of the issue is is the fact that a more credible danger is coming from the left than the oft mooted far right who are perpetually on the rise but rarely to be seen in he wild.

That may well be the crux of the issue which concerns you, but it’s a different matter entirely to the purpose of this thread, which attempts to portray the Left as being a danger to society. In order for me to take that proposition seriously, I’d have to first regard the Left as some sort of credible threat. I just don’t. There’s no threat from the far right either, but that’s besides the point.

I’m not at fault here for attempting to participate in a discussion on the proposal put forward in the opening post. Your wanting to draw comparisons to claim that the Left are more of a danger to society than the far right is another conversation entirely and that’s the conversation I don’t wish to participate in, so I don’t. Your continued efforts to wedge it in where it doesn’t belong doesn’t mean I’m at fault for refusing to entertain it.

Everyone else appears to be at least trying to have a conversation about whether or not the Left are a danger to Irish society, you appear to be the only person who claims the Left don’t amount to any sort of a credible danger (my understanding from your earlier post, and an assessment I agree with), but then you’re saying that the Left are more of a danger to Irish society than the far right. Nobody else appears to be interested in entertaining your proposition, which is understandable, given it amounts to whataboutery, and nobody’s biting.

Unfortunately for you the left and right of the political spectrum are always going to be discussed within the same breath as each other.

Some points seem to be eluding you so I'll go again with one for now.

The left are currently part of the social establishment in this country they use the leverage that gives them to disseminate the idea that the far right are "on the rise" or to blame any number of things that happen within the state on the far right.

Now you may think that's whataboutery, and your refusal to accept that is an indication that "nobody's biting" (a pithy and childish attempt to take your ball and go home BTW) but it is a legitimate observation.

Do you believe that prior to the left/far left becoming part of the establishment in Ireland the lack of consistent references to the far right in the media is a coincidence?

You again took what I said out of context, the meaning was that the left cannot make a coherent argument, that doesn't preclude people from buying what they're saying and it therefore being of danger.

Also if you feel my posts aren't on topic report them or least don't reply to them.

Bullet-points lads, not just vague generalisations about the "far-left". What is the actual danger - presumably you can sum it up in a few lines?

Unfortunately for you the left and right of the political spectrum are always going to be discussed within the same breath as each other.

The fact that some people wish to do so isn’t the least bit unfortunate for me as I’m not troubled by it in any way whatsoever. I might consider they had a point in doing so if it wasn’t for the fact that ever since FF and FG separated from Sinn Fein, they’ve been in Government ever since, whereas Sinn Fein have never been in Government, and so they’re really not comparable in any meaningful sense where the right have been able to implement policies, and we can judge them on the impact their policies have had on Irish society, whereas the left represented by Sinn Fein has never had that opportunity, and Labour in coalition with FG between 2011 - 2014 ultimately led to their being cast out into the political wilderness, never to be heard from again.

I don’t agree with the premise of your argument that the Left were ever part of the Establishment in Ireland in the first place, they’ve always been anti-establishment, hence the reason for their historic failure to capture the votes of the Irish electorate. Sinn Fein have changed tack in recent years and decided to try and capitalise on a populist platform, as opposed to having any policies of their own, their mission appears to be to criticise the policies of Government instead.

The lack of consistent references to the far right in the media previously was due to the fact that the media too were on the right, and like myself, or anyone else on the right, they were unlikely to agree with anyone on the left that their policies were harmful to the country’s interests. Nowadays the media who are dying on their arse in the age of social media will pretty much print anything they imagine will generate conflict and outrage, because they’ve cottoned onto the fact that it generates revenue. They still devote an inordinate amount of column inches to a story about Paul Murphy getting a boot up the hole. That seemed unnecessary… funny of course, but unnecessary, the poor unfortunate has it difficult enough already with being a Lefty 😒