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Secret Invasion - Disney+ (***Spoilers***)

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Only got around to the first episode today and ehhhhhhh ... it wasn't great. Almost aggressively humdrum and ambled with the pace of 70 something Sam Jackson. And was an episode consisting of people telling us how different Fury was, how changed he was, without actually showing any real indication. "Show don't tell" has become a very glib put down - but it remains true. Olivia Coleman seemed to be having fun but everything else was very by the numbers. All very deflating: I'll give it a couple of episodes, but I wouldn't be racing to watch 'em either.

    I noticed that too and it's a slightly irritating bit of laziness when it comes to shape shifting on a budget. Maintaining continuity between clothing choices would be a nightmare I suppose, easier then to just shape shift the clothes too - when it suits and is convenient to the production though, leading to these natural rabbit holes. Especially when one Skrull was killed, but still was wearing the same clothes after reverting back to his green skin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    2: So glad Fury is in england now. All these other england location scenes or england countryside or views of england trains pretending to be in Russia with english people pretending to be Russians is really off putting. The Fury scenes in england then feel fine.

    Ben Mendelsohn and Olivia Colman did great in their scenes regardless. They're really good in their performances.

    So, let's see..

    There's a million Skrulls.. that feels very few. Enough though I guess. Also the way Gravik was talking, he's either got a powered Skrull to fight the Avengers or maybe some powered tech... or maybe a way to have stolen the powers of an Avenger.... woah hold up... hardly .. maybe Hulk Powers from getting hold of Jennifer Walters blood?

    The finger cutting off part was a bit weird, felt like they must have have some excuse to keep a rating there for it being a Skrull finger.

    Oh, was kinda cool at first to see Christopher McDonald, I swear I thought they could've been doing something clever with him. He had the look n' feel of a proper X-Men baddie that they could've been introducing.. but doesn't look like it now. That he's just a Skrull.


    Oh, and I googled the text on the computer screen in the show at one point.

    marvel k99-83 24b

    http 616

    All I could really figure was a reference to Earth 616. Though maybe those other numbers refer to an issue of the comics I don't know.


    I wonder if the Irish folks on the team suggested using Try a Little Tenderness 🙂

    The Commitments - Try a Little Tenderness




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭Homelander


    What is with most of these Marvel shows looking and feeling so cheap? It feels like they're being made on a low budget, but that obviously isn't true, particularly not with the casts they have.

    I watched the first two episodes of this and was pretty unimpressed, immediately struck by how cheap and b-movie the whole thing felt. First episode was pretty bad, I had zero interest in watching episode 2 afterwards but struggled through.

    Second episode better than the first by a wide margin but still not massively compelling.

    I do enjoy almost all of the Marvel movies to varying degrees but apart from Wandavision and maybe Loki I've found all the shows utterly awful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,359 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I don't know if budget is the issue, Moon Knight looked pretty expensive I thought? Falcon and the winter soldier too.

    I think the issue for some of them was CGI which looked a bit rushed.


    If you don't mind animated what if? Is very fun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    They made fun of the fact that Marvel TV is on a tight budget on She Hulk recently. K.E.V.I.N. asked Jennifer to change from green to human off screen as the CG team had moved onto Wakanda Forever.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    I'm still undecided over this. First episode I was excited by the cast, but couldn't be believe they used London as Moscow which just looked so off.


    Second episode I can't stop thinking about Nick Fury channelling Shaft with his "I'm Nick Fury" act. I mean that in a bad way obviously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    OK, you all understand why an American production couldn't use the real Moscow right? And you're aware that most of "New York" is actually Atlanta.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,359 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Another decent if not wow episode.

    If anyone can pretty much be anyone else....it kind of doesn't put much jeopardy if someone is killed, I am guessing the G'iah killed either wasn't G'iah or was wearing a bullet proof vest or she super skrulled herself?

    The de-aging decent again, much better than in the new indiana film

    Olivia Coleman brightened up things with the one tiny scene she was in....the Gravik and Talos scene was ace too, but outside of those it feels all a bit by the numbers. Ditto Talos and Fury.

    Will Fury's skrull wife betray him? I doubt it.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    It is an interesting one. Given the closeness of architecture between Ireland and the UK it is probably being noticed more by those in the thread than anything too gratuitous.

    I expect most Irish people wouldn't pick up quickly when other US cities are used for the likes of NYC or DC but they mostly stand out terribly to people who know the cities they're supposed to be in.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Dunno about other US, or Canadian, cities standing in for each other - but I can tell when Glasgow stands in for American cities, which is weirdly more common than you'd think!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    ITV had a Sci fi series called Primeval between 07 and 11, ran for 4 series. Series 1 and 2 were set and filmed in the UK. Series 3 and 4 shifted to Ireland but was still set in the UK and boy did Dublin stick out a mile. Simple things like white rear reg plates and no attempt to cover signage as Gaeilge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    3: Now that was a good episode! Or, at least, didn't have the fake Russia and Russians being done by england and english.

    Felt proper spycraftey in the second half too. I liked the kinda ..

    buddy drive around that Fury and Talos did there. Jackson and Mendelsohn just bringing their combined powerhouse of experience together.

    Not sure but it feels like Gravik did kill off G'iah so.. hmmm.. I mean they showed her bleeding so maybe she's not dead. Though maybe Emilia Clarke will reappear but as another Skrull picked by Gravik.


    Checking the wiki to see if something changed in this episode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Invasion_(TV_series)

    New Writer credit to Roxanne Paredes: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5430944/

    She seems new with only a show called FBI International under her belt apart from Shorts. lol, pun not intended. Anyway, maybe spycraft is her speciality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    Well since Skrulls are shapshifters, what's to say knowing she was caught she moved her heart to the opposite side of her body knowing if he was going to kill her, shot to the heart was the quickest way. Or since Gravik clearly has the Extremis, what's to say she has it as well without him knowing. But seeing as they killed off Maria Hill in the first episode what's to say she actually did die and there is no big plot twist where she somehow survives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,773 ✭✭✭connemara man


    I'm really liking this but the amount of freezering is a bit mad.

    Talos wife Soren killed off screen

    Maria Hill killed Infront of Fury

    Now G'iah is shot.

    The only way to get people interested in fighting the fight, seems to be a bullet to someone close to em



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,363 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Was rewatching Captain Marvel and noticed something that happens in this series as well. They revert back to their skrull form when shot, yet the clothes don't.

    Also at the end of Captain Marvel, they left with Carol. Was it mentioned how they came back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,386 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Another just okay episode. The show isn't really capitalising on what the premise could be, in terms of not knowing who is a Skrull, the paranoia that could cause etc. It seems like Fury at all times knows exactly who everyone is, and because of that it just becomes a bit generic and the idea of the Skrulls infiltrating organisations, places, people etc becomes no more interesting than the Hydra reveal in The Winter Solider (or Agents of Shield for that matter).

    The Rhodey-Skrull is female, so I'm guessing that's going to be revealed to be Talos' wife. I'd say Talos is dead now though. If they did two fake-out deaths in a row with G'iah and then also Talos, that'd just be ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,363 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Like I was saying, I rewatched Captain Marvel and I was wondering why Talos kept the face of Fury's old boss.

    And again the problem with clothes arises with G'iah's clothes showing damage from the gunshot.

    I would love to know what their power is. Like do they actually change or is it an illusion which explains how they change the suit they wear. But then if that was the case how does the changing the DNA work.

    And the testing should be really easy since we've seen a finger revert to Skrulls form after being cut. So blood should as well or even take a strand of hair. The rules around them seem inconsistent.

    And yeah I'm thinking too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    So I'm guessing the whole Rhodey reveal is going to lead into Armor Wars. Wonder how long he has been replaced by a Skrull.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Easy point would be to wind it to around Civil War. After he fell from the sky and was in hospital.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,359 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Another solid if not wow episode. Samuel L Jackson very solid as usual, Cheadle on top form too. But missing Olivia Colman entirely this episode :(

    The drinking scene was fun, but not exactly a massive send off for Talos (it seems) then again same for Maria Hill! knew Gi'ah was super skrulled

    I think I agree with other posts Gi'ah will end up facing off against Gravik looking for revenge super skrull versus super skrull, Fury can't match up. The shout-out that Rhodey could be Talos wife is an interesting one I like it!

    I am guessing the real Rhodey will be back for armor wars.

    Ok one maybe stupid question, Gravik wanted it to look like the Russians...but then he turned into a tree monster, does that not kind of blow that?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,386 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Rhodes being a Skrull since Civil War would be interesting. It could help explain how he survived the fall, though the fact he was knocked unconscious and then operated on makes it hard to believe it wouldn't have been discovered he was a Skrull. Or, maybe that was then they swapped him, Skrulls came in and swapped him out while in recovery.

    As for Gravik wanting it to look like the Russians, he did, but Fury and Talos ruined it and he had to do whatever he could to kill the President.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,293 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    The set pieces in the show look very underwhelming and some of the acting from Jackson in the latest episode seemed a bit iffy. Would be interesting to see what the creators of Andor would have done with the same storyline, I think they would have been better at creating tension and intrigue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    4: Hmmmm.. bit of a let down in the fight at the end. Didn't feel President level. Probably didn't help that Biden visited so recently and had all those Chinook Helicopters from england hovering above or hanging around nearby. Surprising no hero turned up as well.

    The story itself, I was glad they didn't

    have someone die with that showdown between Fury and his wife. I really didn't think she's been around enough to build enough of a bond with the audience for that. How it did work out felt grand.

    I did like the Groot power showing up. Guessing Gravik is like a combo power Skrull then. Maybe his true form is a bit disfigured looking from a skrull after all that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    He's a super Skrull which is basically Skrull genetically modified to gain super powers. The main example from the comics is the Super Skrull who had all of The Fantastic Fours powers



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    What accent/where is Gravik supposed to be from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,359 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I am nearly sure I heard Wales...bizarrely...well that is accent actor said



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    He has a serious Little Finger thing going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,359 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    It seems to be going on a bit of a tour alright...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,359 ✭✭✭✭gmisk




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Started to get that from the episode alright.

    Until that point, I'd been guessing one power each but combining to have more power makes sense.

    With so many more races around the Galaxy then, it would make sense for me to see combo powers to show up more from outside Earth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,359 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I see the budget for this show is 212 million dollars...so far....I have one word...how?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Pyrotechnics and Skrull VFX I would imagine. Plus The legacy Avengers actors like Sam J, Don and Cobey probably don't come cheap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Ginger beard who got shot this week. Wasn't he in Daredevil as an Irish gangster?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,386 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Yeah. Tony Curran. Also played Vincent Van Gogh in Doctor Who, and pretty sure he was in Sons of Anarchy for a little bit, but think he was playing Irish rather than his natural Scottish in that too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Cotts72


    Decent episode but follows the same formula as all the Disney shows, build up the final episode as being all action and then series done.

    The harvest vial is interesting ,I wonder will that be used to create red hulk

    I'm hoping we are going to see coulson or quake in the finale considering fury is flying solo without any avengers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Imagine if the Skrull took over Rhodes between Iron Man 1 and 2. That would mean to this day Terrence Howard is the only man to play Colonel James Rhodes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    5: Ooooh .. finale next week. Feels like they might have saved something up for that.

    Oh I wonder who was he on comms to! Maybe someone in SABER..


    Olivia Colman powering through again this episode. Still hard to believe Ben Mendelsohn might be gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,386 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The Skrulls had real people they kidnapped, and then Skrulls pretending to be them. I wonder how the Blip affected that. Did some of the real people disappear and the Skrull lost access to the brainwaves/memories? Did the Skrull disappear and they were left with the real person just hooked up to the brainscanner thing?

    Not much more anyone could have expected from the episode. It's the penultimate one so just designed to set up the finale. Olivia Coleman stole the show though, we finally got a decent amount of her in the episode. Disappointed SkRhodey didn't end up being Talos' wife as I predicted, just means she was killed off-screen for no reason. Which is fine I guess, can't even remember her name or the actress, but it's just a waste and missed opportunity.

    Really think they've f*cked up with Fury's reasons for not calling in some of the Avengers. His previous reason of wanting to reduce the chances of Skrulls copying them made decent enough sense, but at this stage, this is the exact scenario of aliens taking over the Earth that he set up the Avengers for.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    Apart from Coleman's excellence, that was one of the most ridiculous episodes I've ever watched of anything, ever.


    Wonder who he was talking to at the end...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,976 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    My guess is he was talking with a Mutant.

    We are getting closer and closer each series and movie now to the X-Men arriving.

    It could be Abigail Brand.


    But I really do hope it’s Coulson and May.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Well,

    It would make sense if it was Monica Rambeau and/or Carol Danvers as it would help set up the scene we saw in The Marvels teaser



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Cotts72


    I'm going to guess that Marvel may re"brand" Ghia as Abigail brand going forward...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭EoinMcLovin


    oh, never thought of that but going off how Brand is in current run of comics (worked with the anti-mutant org, Orchis against the Mutants, Shiar and rest of universe ) I doubt Ghia would care more about Humans than her own people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,359 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    This weeks episode was decent I thought, Olivia Colman absolutely chewing the scenery and loved every second she was on screen. Only one episode to go.

    Stop teasing us already Marvel lets get the X-Men back!

    Fury obviously still has a few powerful friends when he can get a private jet sorted and call on the head of SIS. Nice to see O-T Fagbenle popping up again, bit random only other marvel thing he was in was Black Widow right?

    The raid on the house was fun but that kill team weren't exactly good shots...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    In general Brand has always been more personal power driven rather than species loyal.

    Shes always been space based and Clarke was rumored to be playing Brand to begin with. So would line up, I'd forgot that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Cotts72


    I think the whole point of the last ep was to guide Ghia to think more like Talos did and work towards coexisting with humans and let go of the resentment she held



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    I watched the first episode last week and the shock that should have come at the ending was spoiled by Cobie Smulders not being named in the opening credits - meaning Hill was either going to be incapacitated or killed as she wasn’t a main cast member.

    And the series is off to a wobbly start by not explaining why these Skrulls are on Earth when Danvers took the refugees with her at the end of CAPTAIN MARVEL and part of their anger is because she never found a planet for them.

    Have the Powers That Be ever explained why Carol never came back to Earth? Or is it being kept for the THE MARVELS ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭Spon Farmer


    He always stands out.

    And yes the Moscow outdoor locations screamed Britain.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    They go into why the Skrulls are on Earth in decent detail as the show goes on - it is the driver of the main narrative and actually impacts a key element of the history of the entire MCU.

    This was never going to be where we get details on Carol and I wouldnt be surprised if they never go into great detail on why she never came back to live on earth. Her explanation that the earth didn't need her makes sense - it was doing fine without her and she'd seen up close all the bad stuff the Kree had been up to and probably a lot of other terrible things that she felt she could help out there, knowing that Fury had a way to contact her if she was really needed. It wasn't as if she had much to come back to, just one friend who had moved on and had a family. Carol had spent nearly as much of her adult life in space as on Earth when she left and probably understood that if she lived on Earth she'd have to keep her powers secret.

    Obviously the main driver of keeping her off earth is her power level and her late arrival to the MCU but what we've been given thus far as explanation is grand.



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