Sweden avoiding lockdown

If you do not see any evidence that Tegnell was chasing herd immunity, (something you appear to believe had some scientific credibility), then it`s because you are choosing to ignore it.

It`s crystal clear from the FOI emails between the two architects of the chasing herd immunity strategy, Tegnell and Giesecke, and between Tegnell and his Finnish counterpart it was the only strategy being considered. Tegnell`s predecessor as state epidermiologist admitted that she was also aware that it was the strategy.

Even the Swedish ambassador to the U.S. was telling journalists and anybody who would listen during the first wave that it was only a matter of days during the first wave before the Stockholm area would reach herd immunity. Giesecke was here in Ireland during the second wave pushing the same pseudoscience when Sweden`s own test results were showing it was a complete nonsense.

Tegnell never said the idea of keeping young kids in school was to allow a degree of immunity. He was warned by Finland that from their research that by doing so was likely to increase the numbers of death by at least 10%, but in his mad chase for this mythical herd immunity from a mutating virus he decided it was worth it Even he would have known as an epidemiologist that unless the total number of the population having immunity was not higher than, at the very least 70%, then it was pintless. The idea that a small number of children getting infected was going to achieve anything is in the same ballpark as being just a bit pregnant.

I still do not know what this "science" is that Sweden was supposedly following, but it appears that some here believe it was somehow a success and whatever it was should be followed in the future. Try that with the Zaire ebola virus that has an average mortality rate of 75% (60% - 90%) and see how that "science" stacks up.

I have better for doing with my time than engaging with people who are choosing to ignore the facts and attempting to re-write history on the abject failure that Sweden`s initially strategy was too dealing with the Covid-19 virus before they sidelined Tegnell`s insanity and used vaccines like everywhere else to gain control over it. But by all means you or anyone else who wishes to attempt doing that work away. It`s not going to change the facts.

Tbh I would really like some reputable organisation like Eurostat, The WHO, the UN or whoever, to firstly rank countries' covid responses fairly definitively by metrics like overall excess deaths, and possibly 1 or 2 other key measures.

And then I would like to see them interpret that data intelligently, & apply controls to those results to allow for things like demographics, population density, risks of disease due linkages to neighbouring countries, borders, etc, etc.

From this we could then more clearly see which countries did best under their particular circumstances, and from that it should be then relatively straightforward to see which specific measures & practices were best for keeping populations healthy & thriving through and after covid.

I realise there's alot in that, but we're well into the age of big data & AI, and I would have thought that's the kind of data analysis task & report that a large, neutral organisation working in this area should be able to produce without too much bother.

Tbh, I'm quite surprised that there hasn't been a fairly definitive attempt at this already. Maybe there has been?!

From what I can see at this remove, Sweden probably got a lot more right in their covid response than wrong , and certainly far more right than most countries initially gave them credit for. I would like to see some attempt to normalise their excellent excess death rate scores for things like their demographics, excellent health service (proxied by say # of ICU beds per 100k), and population density say , so that we could then more definitively compare their relative performance versus their Nordic neighbours say, and versus countries such as Ireland.

Without doing this work it's not possible to definitively say whether Sweden's overall covid response was better than Ireland's say, but certainly looking at the excess death rates since covid (2020 to date), it seems highly likely Sweden did a good deal better even allowing for their lower population density, better heath service & less infected & infectious neighbouring countries.

But as I say, I'd like to see this analysis done properly before being too definitive, as until then this is just a guesstimate based on fairly raw (non controlled) data.

Why is that? Because they have guidelines on specific measures to adopt during covid?

In that case it might be better if another organisation did this review alright.

At the end of the day everything big that happens in the world is driven by money and Covid was know different

Too late on the market, didn't get approval till late 2021 and you can't give Pfizer and the likes that kind of a head start, the Mexicans and Venezuelans bought some, they tried to break into other markets like Vietnam etc but sales were disappointing overall. EspromedBIO didn't have the brand awareness or marketing power to trouble big pharma rivals and being stateowned by Cuba politics of course affected sales

Pity as would have been nice to see Cuba make some $

$$$

Someone somewhere in Cuba was making money from these

Or do you think Governments care about your health lol :) You do, haha

Yeah right. Try telling that to all those relatives of those dead in coffins on the streets around Milan? Or in France? Or even in London for that matter. Can you remember those!?

Covid, was most definitely not nothing. It was really quite something imho!!!

FYI, (Excess) Deaths are only 1 metric of the health of a population also btw e.g. long term adverse effects on people's health by contracting covid was & is also quite something, especially if people were unvaccinated when they were infected, and hence got a far more severe infection.

Who is to say, some of the very high excess death rates that we're currently seeing in Ireland (~13.7% over trend), aren't caused by the secondary effects of being infected by covid e.g. People getting pneumonia, &/or cardio vascular &/or inflammatory conditions, etc now that are killing some of them because they caught a nasty dose of covid 12-18 months ago which affected their long term health!?!

Last year they were blaming the heatwave for the excess death, I see this year they are going with the long-covid, next year will be probably some other excuse: anything is good as long as we avoid having a proper investigation on cause/effect.

You saw one side, it was clear as day the risk of sarscov2 to healthy young people was practically zero and the vaccine passports were the most unscientific rubbish ever as well as the masks, we could never argue that side, we did what we were told like good little sheep. Bill Gates might not have put microchips but the man and his buddies made incredible €€€ from it, "vaccines my best investment ever" his words. Governments stretched that rubbish out as long as they could, when it became clear that the unvaccinated and vaccinated had more or less the same chance of catching sarscov2 and you might as well have injected holy water to prevent sarscov2 they had to drop restrictions. They could have dropped everything in summer 2020 and we have been fine

Stop the gaslighting bs

They were marketed as stopping transmission, protect your nanny and loved ones, you don't remember that?

No one wants to talk about covid anymore because it was the biggest load of bs ever and people like you pretending they didn't say protect your loved ones and community, get your vaccine.

Can you not remember the cases on the news everyday? Vaccines will kick in soon said Dr Tony and the health experts, cases will drop.

Honestly I'm finished here as morons like yourself pretending they never said that, they said it would only prevent deaths and hospitalisations guys like your self are insufferable

Ahh yeah an RTE man speaks, a trustful crowd, conspiracy sites bad, RTE, BBC good