Cyclists' responsibility for their own safety *warning* infractions given liberally for trolling etc

That the family's argument. Hard not to agree with them. Cyclist should have had lights also.

Then why post in a thread that is specifically about the case unless you have a blind agenda?

There are plenty of links posted, why wouldn't you read them?

Fortunately i have a good memory, you were the first person to reply here suggesting the thread be moved to the cycling forum so the usual suspects could wax lyrical, and they do!

I agree with you about the visibility, but i'm also going to call you out on your blind animosity towards cyclists. If you tried it, you would understand the vulnerability that is felt.

Being obsessed about the least effective means of being seen....is the opposite of common sense.

Tbh Common sense is often just old wives tales which have been disproved by research and studies. But people just can't let go.

What have pedestrians got to with this incident?

In the accident that this thread is about, I'm not sure how you think this driver can take the high moral ground.

Apologies, you're right wrong thread.

But the point about your consistency in being anti cyclist is therefore proven in that you feel that cycling doesn't belong in a commuting and transport forum, that is just weird.

My issue is that you want to side with the lack of visibility of cyclists regardless of the facts of any individual case, which also seems to be the approach of the judicial system.

I wonder if the driver's statement was provided to the judge who was appointed to the review of this case before he advised there was no need for a public inquiry. There are too many unanswered questions here for me to feel comfortable about this finding.

Perhaps if you took the time to read about it you might feel the same rather than pontificating about generalisations.

In incident where the system failed so so many times and someone died. Quite something for people to hijack it with nonsense stories of dogs, cats, eScooters, pedestrians, motor bikes.

Isn't there a dual carriage way between those places M18?

And yesterday evening, with those lights and a Really Bright Stuff rain jacket wasn't enough for a motorist (driving a taxi) to see me, and had to brake hard approaching a roundabout. He also didn't see the traffic island with bollard either to be fair. Still only put down the phone when I called him out on it...

You would have loved a big thread (which the usual headbangers will now deny the existence of) here a good few years ago - about ten I'd say (nope, I'm not going looking for it). It concerned a sportive somewhere up the country (a sportive being a proper 'race', as opposed to a leisurely cycle) where there were multiple instances of cyclists (often groups thereof) going well into the opposite lane to overtake other riders, even on bends - and this was on roads open to traffic. As you can imagine there were multiple close calls and it's just blind luck none of them got themselves killed. Now, apparently this is all par for the course on your average sportive but the difference on this occasion was that a couple of the riders filmed it - including gangs of cyclists forcing cars coming against them into the ditch - and the footage got into the press.....hence the thread. Now, you might imagine this incredibly dangerous behaviour might have triggered some soul searching among the Boards cyclists, discussion of opportunities for improvement etc. Not a bit of it! While there were a few lone cyclist voices critical of the riders, the large majority of posters reserved their ire for the cyclists who filmed it - raging that the riders actually put it on social media, and of course zero acknowledgement of the danger caused. This included a contribution from a representative of the main cycling representative body chiding the few who raised concerns in a post which could be best summed up as "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen" - i.e. this is what happens on a sportive - if you don't like it, go for a leisurely cycle.

But of course "motorists kill and maim x people per week" yadda yadda yadda......

No matter how many times they're told that the colour of the clothing doesn't seem to make any difference they'll keep obsessing with it. It's simply down to lack of experience.

I've been knocked down in broad daylight wearing high vis & reflectives.

Ah, it's mad out there on the roads. I do a 20km commute through Dublin city centre daily at have at least one incident a day. At very least. 100% down to drivers not paying attention. I try to be as visible and make my position on the road as known as much as I can. Try to stay out of blind spots etc etc.

I'd a guy yesterday cut across me on the quays without indicating left, right across the cycle track I was on without a care on the world, almost went into the back of him. He is then driving on my inside left as I try to get passed him (I'm still on the cycle lane) and he then veers back across the cycle lane, again without indicating.

I'd a woman this morning come out of a small side road in Donnybrook right in front of me, on the main road. I hammer on the brakes, let her out, she then decides that she's actually doing a big U turn into a parking space on the left. Almost went into the side of her as I was kicking off again. Absolute lunatic.

Neither of those people saw me at all, in my high vis. On a bright morning. Literally nothing you can do in this situations other than preempting them as much as possible and acting accordingly.

Yes, cyclists who don't have lights or proper reflective gear on are absolute morons. Same to Escooter users. However having them on is still not some magical force field that will protect you. Dublin roads can be really very dicey at the best of times.

Research says driver behaviour is the biggest factor. Dressing like a bee has minimal impact.

I cycle sometimes and I drive sometimes. I acknowledge that there's arseholes of all types (modes) on the roads, but I'm responsible for my own conduct on the road, not anybody elses. I don't accept responsibility for the behavior of people I've ever met. That notion is ludicrous, and if you try to push it, you can expect opposition and ridicule, frankly.

btw, speaking of taking responsibility- Weren't you the one who got hammered on another C&T thread for saying you didn't support red light cameras because if you got a ticket for red light breaking you couldn't be sure of whether you or your daughter were driving your car at the time ?😁

I'm not sure why people think boasting about x number of years on something other than bicycle (so zero years cycling) gives them any insight into cycling.

Exactly. Its really roadcraft, and it different when cycling and its different when driving. Comes with experience.

Again, not to derail the thread further, living in a rural area with no footpath, I think motorist behaviour is shocking - i'd go as far as a majority will not slow down and wait if a car is coming from the opposite direction and will close pass instead!

So overtaking in a car is the same on bicycle.