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Nigel Farage cries persecution, nobody wants to be his banker after ties to Russia

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,443 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Since when did we throw out the principle of the presumption of innocence?

    About the time it was decided Nigel Farage had his bank account closed because of his political views. That would be an assumption of the bank's guilt.

    Post edited by kowloon on


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It's a good job he spoke up and made it headline news, made people aware and have courage to speak out.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭McFly85


    It’s not a criminal case, the presumption of innocence doesn’t apply.

    Each bank will have its own threshold for doing business with someone, their own tolerance for risk. They will also have far more information than us publicly available on that persons banking history.

    He doesn’t have had to do anything criminally wrong for a bank to decide to cease their relationship. As others have said, it may not be worth the extra overhead for the amount he brings in. They may have questions about his source of funding etc.

    So looking at it in a way that Farage is innocent because there’s no visible evidence to the contrary and has therefore been persecuted is misguided.

    All we can really say with what we know is that Farage has incorrectly blamed the bank for political persecution.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,487 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Well, not really. He really muddied the waters by claiming the whole thing was a politically-motivated campaign by the "woke" against him and his fellow-travellers. He didn't call attention to the actual problem at all; in fact, actively tried to conceal it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Shoog


    If Farage was a good advert for sound finances, given his background in investments, many banks would take him for the cudos he would bring. After all been a bit a fascist twat has never been a reason for the banking sector to discriminate in the past. It really should tell you everything you need to know that they have refused his business. Me thinks the boy protests to much.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 868 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Good to see Farage etc providing more evidence to support the theory.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Its also interesting that those rabid advocates of capitalism red in tooth and claw seem unable to grasp the one fundamental right that business do have - to pick and choose their customers within the limits of the law. Maybe the banks just don't like Farage and what he represents 😂



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The people accusing Farage of making things up are themselves making things up about Russian money.

    Why that irony fails to be seen is beyond me.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Shoog


    You seem to be the only one banging on about Russian money here.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    But he didn't "speak up" about the issue.

    He invented a Culture war whinge that will do absolutely nothing to address any potential concerns about the application of the PEP rules.

    Various mouth-pieces will demand action about "political targeting" and they'll be told that it isn't that and everyone will move on.

    He has done nothing to help anyone that might be being wrongly impacted here - Because he absolutely isn't being "wrongly impacted".



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yesterday BBC and Sky News published snide headlines that Farage was "not wealthy enough" to be a customer at Coutts.

    The reporter who broke the story ended up backtracking on that smear last night, clarifying that many customers have nowhere near 1 million pounds in their personal accounts, yet are nonetheless longstanding members at the bank.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    But he isn't though.

    For the banks it's a Cost/Benefit consideration.

    As a PEP he brings more cost to the calculation so his lower net worth makes him not valuable enough to justify having the account. A Non PEP person with similar financial positions might still be worth it for the Banks though.

    It's really not all that complicated and it's certainly not some "woke plot" to target the gurning face of Brexit 7 years after it happened.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Its seems that the oily oink is just not useful anymore and so his backers are dumping him like a bad smell.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,487 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Why would that be "snide"? Farage himself has complained of being broke. Are you saying he is lying?

    Coutts does target itself at the wealthy; they are quite open about this. They migh choose to provide services to, um, less wealthy or formerly wealthy customers if they perceive other advantages (e.g. they have social or family connections to Coutts' target market).

    None of this provides any support at all for Farage's bizarre claim that he has been targetted for his political views in an attempt to drive him out of the country. There is absolutely zero evidence for this wildly improbable claim.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Exactly, can’t stand Farage but it’s obviously a smear campaign. The same happened to Marine Le Pen a few years ago who had ‘links’ to a Russian bank when it turned out she got a loan from a Czech (EU) bank that had ‘links’ to a Russian bank.

    The double standards and hypocrisy is to be expected though.

    https://www.investigate-europe.eu/en/2022/londongrad-a-citys-addiction-to-russian-oligarchs-and-easy-money/



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭McFly85


    That view changes depending on who’s affected, too.

    If it’s Elon banning people from twitter for making fun of him, allowing hate speech against minorities or leaving misinformation unchecked: Nothing to see here, it’s his company, he can do what he likes

    If it’s a right wing serial liar claiming political persecution by having a bank account closed without a shred of evidence: Won’t somebody think of the fascists?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,212 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Again, it does not actually prove that he is or isn't "wealthy" enough; it just shows that there is possibly more leeway given to other customers. The reason why is of interest (though, I'd be interested in knowing whether those customers who don't meet the limit threshold are also PEPs).

    Also, anyone can send a message saying "I'm with Coutts and I don't have a million pounds in my account". Unless they provide a real-time screenshot of their bank statement then you have to take such claims with a pinch of salt.

    The only way we'll ever get to the bottom of this story is if Coutts release the information regarding their reasoning. Frankly, it's a dangerous precedent to go around sharing private bank details with the media just because its a person of public interest so I imagine the only way there'll be any confirmation is through a court case or some other legal avenue.

    Or Farage could volunteer such information. But it suits his agenda and gets his clapping seals riled up if he just charges on with his political prosecution spiel.

    He's played it pretty well: He created a story and someone from Coutts may have leaked info. Now, he can play the victim and cry about privacy and speculation regarding his personal finances when he was the one who brought about all the attention.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,230 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The bottom line is that there is something deeply wrong on a psychological and intellectual level with the type of person who continually goes to bat for characters like Farage or Trump which is, admittedly, fascinating, but for all the wrong reasons. It displays an enormous lack of awareness of just how ludicrous and unreasonable they sound to other people. The constant efforts to restate certain positions with the hopes that "their guy" will be protected in some manner only makes them appear foolish in the extreme and the sheer inability to understand how foolish they sound can be truly astonishing at times.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,617 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It is ironic that he's sank below the minimum fiscal threshold for his posh boys bank and yet was happy to tout this not so long ago:


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,415 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    He could have adjusted his jacket properly before taking the photo.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Shoog


    He always strikes me as a used car salesman from a 1950's comedy (you know the one).



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,415 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Probably because this is how he thinks “genuine” people dress, slovenly.

    He has no respect for anyone, bar himself (and Putin of course)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,617 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I actually don't.

    To respond to Rawr's excellent, detailed post above I think it comes down to a few things, namely the sunken cost fallacy, a desire to own anyone they dislike and a complete lack of, or even disdain for any sort of intellectualism.

    They've spent well over half a decade shilling for this cretin online, repeating everything he says verbatim as gospel and getting into hysterics whenever his nonsense is pulled apart, something which never takes long. The standard response usually, "something something establishment, something something woke". It of course helps immensely that Farage has a friendly, corporate media to deal with so nobody ever asked him tough questions. All he had to do was spout his xenophobic bile and Faragists would gleefully lap it all up.

    Then came Brexit. The libs got owned but Brexit got done to nobody's satisfaction. Sure, the likes of myself spent years doing what we could to stop it, knowing the damage it was going to do but it ultimately came to pass and got done. This exposed Farage and his ilk for their ignorance, hatred and stupidity but this is the UK where the turds float so long as they're upper class and educated at the right schools.

    With no ideas that can't be expressed in more than a few words, we got the war on woke, a word that none of the people who hysterically shriek about can define. They get upset when people question the establishment because they know there's nothing they've got on any sort of intellectual level to defend it with. So, they wrap themselves in comfort blankets like GB News and social media echo chambers and desperately reassure themselves that it's all going to come to nothing, that they're right and that soon the silent majority (TM) will awaken and discard the wokerati (whoever they are) into the cultural refuse bin.

    I'm reading a wonderful book about German unification at the moment, masterminded by one Otto von Bismarck. The thing that comes to mind with the Iron Chancellor is "Trump but with brains" or "Johnson but with brains". The man was ruthless, scheming, manipulative, utterly dishonest but possessed singular diplomatic and political talent. In the late nineteenth century, he introduced sick pay for workers, the first pensions and some work place regulations. This was not out of charity but to head of the threat from the German socialist movement embodied by the SPD which still exists today.

    Today's conservatives, alas, aren't that smart. They also don't care one whit about anything beyond venality and cruelty. Farage never gave a sh*te about British farmers or he'd have attended more than one out of forty-three fisheries meetings. He's not even an intellectual on a superficial level. He's just the sort of guy you pay to say the racist things you don't want to catch flak for. First, it was for the odious Arron Banks and now it's for whoever owns GB News.

    They defend him because every right wing crank must be defended and that to fail to defend him means that the ideology hold so dearly to is simply nothing more than reactionary stupidity and prejudice.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Think it's more that the Photo shop person didn't do a great job superimposing him onto that background - They've definitely "tidied up" the neck area in that picture.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,443 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I think I saw somewhere, might have been here, that you didn't need to meet the balance requirement if you had a loan of X amount from Coutts, so it would seem there's more than one way to be an account holder before we even get into the PEP issue. They're happy as long as they're making enough money out of you, be it from holding your cash or from holding your debt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,952 ✭✭✭Shoog


    The problem is that the right wing has always had a far better understanding of how to use basic psychology to manipulate the public. They know how to push the buttons of people who could barely string a sentence together if not fed it by their propagandists.

    The left has been far to timid in using the same tactics to manipulate the public, a good idea can never compete against a catchy slogan. Fortunately as a whole (and despite what many people believe) people are getting better informed and generally more reasonable so the only way to attack them is to accuse them of been "woke", a nebulus term of attack. The age at which people switch to conservative beliefs has now slipped into the late fifties - which is why the right has decided that the only way to win hearts and minds is with their whole culture wars bullshit. Its a losing battle and only by gerrymandering and sheer weight of grey vote numbers are they holding onto power. It shocks me every time venture back to the UK to see the geratric age profile of the population - if you want to understand why Farage is so popular in the UK that is your answer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,399 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    I'd also have assumed that, even if you're not particularly affluent, but you happened to be called Contessa de Something and are a direct descendant to the Saxbourgs or the Kingdom of Piedmont that Coutts would like to keep your business. Especially if you still mingle in the correct circles. So their rules are almost certainly extremely flexible and on a case-by-case basis.

    None of which fits well with my socialist leanings, but I guess it's something you have to accept if you want to do your banking with such boutique institutions.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Exactly - Simple Cost/Benefit analysis from a Capitalist Company.

    Penniless (relatively speaking) Duke of Somewhere - Worth it for access/exposure to his mega-wealthy friend circle.

    Penniless (relatively speaking) Spiv who is also a PEP - Absolutely not worth the effort, will cost more money than he brings in.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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