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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭ginger22


    I presume from that statement you have some other "facts" to back that up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    Including a small country called Japan who apparently make quite a few cars.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,591 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande



    At the end of the day money talks, car manufacturers must make a profit on EVs, if not, both they and the unions will change politicians minds. There are also costs and technical problems maintaining reliable electrical grid operation with unreliable power generation coupled with huge demand for power that cannot be satisfied along combined with unaffordable cars and electricity bills will prove too much.

    In theory having much less parts should make EVs cheaper, materials costs combined with all the software development costs and project overruns and product recalls are quite expensive.

    There are also the coats and logistics of getting rid of some many ICE vehicles to consider. Everyone is caught in the mania, but at the end of the day the double entry ledger tells it's own story.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Not to mention the fact that there is only so much lithium .....



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I think it is beyond dispute at this stage from the culling cows stance alone of the Irish Green Party and many, if not all, of their supporters that when it comes to agriculture they really are clueless.

    George Lee as RTE agriculture correspondent being a typical example. Lee was born and grew up in Templeogue in Dublin and qualifications are as an economist. As a staff member of RTE he took a leave of absence from RTE to become a T.D. When that didn`t work out he was quickly back in RTE to be subsequently appointed agriculture correspondent. Sean O Rourke, (born in Portlaoise and who grew up in and worked in the West of Ireland, and who actually knows something about farming), summed up that appointment on his radio programme when his first question to Lee was, "Well George, other than their being the vacancy, what are your qualifications for the job"

    The green driven E.U. agenda is no better and is now being recognised as such with pushbacks on this proposed Naure Restoration Law and the Green Deal. I`m no fan of Monsanto`s Roundup which as far as I can see does nothing much other than kill off everything except their genetically modified plants for their growing season, but the E.U. lumping all herbicides together as being one and the same is simple minded. Bracken is not what could be termed a biodiverse plant species. It`s highly invasive, kills off everything else and is a carcinogenic into the bargain. Asulux is a herbicide developed specifically to kill off bracken but has been banned by the E.U. for a number of years now with nothing to replace it and looking around the country you can see how that is working out. It is allso a hue problem in the U.K. but at least they have recognised that and have reintroduced Asulux over the past few years.

    Green have an unerring ability of throwing the babyout with the bathwater when it comes to agriculture. They are hell bent on banning all pesticides and herbicides yet have no answers as to the cause and effect of doing so without alternatives. Environmental Science Europe, an open peer reviewed publication, has pointed out that such a ban will result in a lose of 24 million tons of wheat production in the E.U. 24 million tons is the tonnage that according to the U.N. and others will cause starvation in third world countries if the Russian prevent Ukraine from exporting that tonnage annually.

    Gorse when in flower does look attractive but is another very invasive species and very prone, similar to other such plants species worldwide, that when not managed properly results in major wildfires. But then greens appear to believe such wildfires are the result of spontaneous self combustion due to climate change.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    When was Ireland`s hottest day and when was the previous hottest day up until that ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22 DJoSullivan79


    "We just had the hottest day on Earth since records began" Almost word for word of the WaPo article.

    It's a computer model putting that data out there, not actual temperature observations. So basically a pile of poop that the lazy media have ran with to garner clickbait.

    If you were buying a house and wanted the Quantity Surveyors opinion - would you buy on the strength of his word if he told you he never looked at the house but ran the building's spec through a computer program and the computer said it was grand?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The way I see it, we can no longer trust any temperature readings unless everybody, everywhere is standing outside, all day, taking hourly readings and inputting them into the same file. Only this way can we be sure

    Say goodbye to sleep!



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Well, that is easy to explain. Observational data does not agree with your model? Change to way the data was gathered to fit with your model. Problem solved..

    It is about as unscientific as you can get. To call it pseudo science is being euphemistic..



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,419 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    There's plenty of Lithium

    Enough for 3 billion cars according to this study with plenty of supply for the short to medium term demand

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-18402-y.pdf

    "In summary, present production trend shows that in the short term, supply and demand is well balanced but the long-term sustainability of the transport sector is at risk. At present, a concern on climate actions dominates discussions; however, it is equally important to address policy gaps in order to address the embedded long-term risk of sustainable transport sector pathways. To address these gaps, a concerted global effort is necessary to enforce well-established recycling systems across the globe, enhance transportation services and battery performance to achieve a lower Li intensity in the sector, while also improving efforts to develop alternative options. The significance of the obtained results calls for further actions and investigations in this area."

    Since 2020 when this paper was published, Sodium Ion batteries are going into large scale production and will be powering the batteries for billions of smaller lower range city vehicles around the world. While also getting rid of those 2 stroke and diesel engines belching smoke and causing millions of premature deaths a year from respitory illness



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  • Registered Users Posts: 22 DJoSullivan79


    Leave Lithium Ion batteries to the likes of Duracell and Energizer. Toyota will have cracked it in five years: Toyota Claims Breakthrough That Will Lead To 745-Mile EV Battery (insideevs.com) and it will charge in 10 minutes. Now, this is proper stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22 DJoSullivan79


    No need for the dramatics. Just proper observations from proper equipment in proper sites will do. No need for adjustments or to have a computer model what the computer thinks has happened.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What large scale weather monitoring does not use computer modelling?



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,419 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Still has lithium in it, but yeah it's a good development.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22 DJoSullivan79


    Computer modelling is used to predict the weather in a given timeframe - albeit with usually horrendous accuracy beyond seven to ten days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Monitoring is not modelling. Monitoring is recording the data. Then you can use that data to model



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,547 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Confiscating farmers' healthy livestock could be a breach of property rights and thus unconstitutional.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    They seem to get around that problem for land by slapping compulsory purchases on it, but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Reducing the unit allowed per acre would also have the same affect and I would not trust some in the E.U. presently as far as I could kick them.

    Mind you, they try that and the present pushbacks will look like a kids row in a playground in comparison to what that would bring down on their heads.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,458 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    I’m sure the ABP process will delay this for years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭TokenJogger


    That's an logical and ideological fallacy, those cities existed before the car



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  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭TokenJogger


    That makes no sense but anywhere a car can go a bus can go too

    The reverse is not true though, places where buses go frequently exclude cars, so public transport is in fact discriminatory against car dependent people

    The simple point is access, if you make access difficult people don't go to that place, that's it



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Green IS the new religion. It includes shame and guilt feelings about good weather. Enjoyed the wonderful month of june with prolonged good weather? Shame on you! You should be disgusted with yourself. Do you not feel incredibly guilty? Don't you realize that we recently calculated (by convoluted means ) that it has never been so HOT, ie had the HIGHEST global average temperature EVER!!!!!!!!???

    You see: good weather now is like sex and religion. You are not supposed to enjoy it but have feelings of shame and guilt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    No doubt there'll be a report along soon telling us the shïtë weather so far in July is due to climate change as well.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,739 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Jeeze! I've heard it all now!

    The point is that why should people who may not be financially able to afford a car, the running costs etc. Or have a medical condition which prevents them from operating a car are excluded from getting to these out of town Motor/retail parks which are usually located beside motorways... Getting into the city centres to shop by public transport without that Bus being delayed by private cars is what every city centre is aiming for now..

    Name one place a car can't go that a Bus can? And don't say "a bus lane" because they're usually full of private cars too..



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,739 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    And if you look at the history of many U.S Cities and towns they had narrow walkable streets, horse drawn and electric trolley cars, trams, all dug up and removed, streets widened to accommodate more cars and parking... that's why no one drives in the U.S as it's all designed around the private car.. Anyway, what are you even arguing about here? The bottom line is we have to move away from unsustainable modes of transport and it's going to happen no matter what...



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    The whole point is that city centers, where PT is mainly aiming to bring people is not worth a fiddlers in a lot of cases. Most are filled with coffee shops, vape shops, bookies, kebab spots, etc. Personally, town or city centers is the last place I'd be thinking of going when ya can easily get to the soulless retail park



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Well, 'predict' is too strong a word. It is an estimate with widening error margins over time.. i do wish the climatologists would do the same thing. But no, they completely trust the models and their certainty. Really odd given the normal stance of meteorologists about the weather even in the models w % of certainty included. But maybe NOT so strange given the fact that if the alarmists do admit the high levels of uncertainty ( which IS certain by default) the whole thing falls apart hence their constant alarmist attitude egged on by the media. It seems there is a constant 98% certainty about their models even IF their own ( IPCC) reports say otherwise. Compare that w meteorologists about weather patterns, estimates etc. High error margins usually beyond 3 days. We are getting slightly better at 'predicting' the weather. Sometimes it stretches even beyond 5 days! Irish weather is really hard to predict. You want certainty? Get a job as a weather presenter in the tropics..



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,739 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    You're mixing up two separate issues, Public/sustainable transport being one, and social/economic issues being the other..

    The out of town U.S style motor/retail parks are only there cos of tax breaks and low rents..

    Anyways, back on point, city centres need to welcome pedestrians and promote safe bicycling, if the U.S can do it so can we: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-07-06/in-bid-for-survival-business-districts-welcome-bikes-and-pedestrians



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Whatever happens, it's climate change, caused by us, from Co2 emissions. Any weather event. That is the dogma, the catechism, the article of faith. Thou shalt not doubt the Green God ( or the priests). Infidels will be destroyed. The Green inquisition will take care of you.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,547 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Compulsory purchasing of cattle?! Yeah, that'll work, for sure! 😀



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