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Strange New Worlds 2x04- 'Among the Lotus Eaters' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

  • 06-07-2023 4:34am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭


    Strange New Worlds 2x04- 'Among the Lotus Eaters' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** } Warning: This thread will contain spoilers



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Ye at last a full crew episode. Actually in some ways you coukd say it was an Ortegas centric episode. OK it was not perfect. It was quite slow to start off and I think the acting in it was not great. I think William Shatner as Kirk done forgetting who he was better but from about 38 minutes on it gets so much better and it's a good ending.

    Issues I have is when Ortagas left her post who was flying the ship? There was just Spock left on the Bridge and he did not or could not remember how to fly it. Its a miracle more damage was not done.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Help & Feedback Category Moderators Posts: 25,688 CMod ✭✭✭✭Spear


    It was okay, nothing I could really point at as bad, but no real standout moments either. Just very standard adventure fare. It might be aping TOS too closely at times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 364 ✭✭eadrom


    Pretty good although I agree with Spear, all fairly standard stuff here really. They could have maybe done a bit more with the premise, and the tone was a little too rigid and serious. Finding the stranded crew member didn't amount to much in the end and felt a little out of place. Like the show, and Pike, should care more about something like that.

    Enjoyable as always though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,823 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Really enjoyed that, maybe it seemed better than it should have after 3 fairly slow paced episodes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    Have to say, really enjoyed that episode. Reminded me of some of the fun ones earlier in DS9 or TNG, the DS9 one where they found the planet of their descendants, or TNG when they forget their identities and there's the fake first officer. I think Voyager had a handful.

    A fairly decent one off episode with a few characters in a situation where they're not fully aware of whats happening. Good bog standard mid-season random episode stuff. But a bit dark.

    Nice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    And really liked the callback to those wall light guidelines in Season1 TNG-Not sure if they ever really apppeared outside one or two episodes, but always thought it was a really fun, simple way of finding your way around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭corkie


    Enjoyable episode.

    Is it becoming a pattern (or troupe) this season that episodes midway through seem like they could continue for longer, for them only to resolve everything in the final 5/10 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,905 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I liked the episode. it was one hour of Trek. A mystery or problem to solve, and it gets done. Just old school Trek.

    Is it a standout episode, no, but they do not all have to be.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Ah, that was a good episode. Proper old school Star Trek. Into the unknown through memory loss. Cool shout-out to The Cage too!

    Two things which were only given a small amount of time but came across well done were:

    • The captains love story
    • The old Kalar man played by Reed Birney.

    I swear I had to go lookup Birney's imdb to check if he'd ever played an admiral on Star Trek before but he hasn't. I think I was confusing him with Ronny Cox (Jellico)



    The one point in the episode where it dawned on me that they could've done things differently is bring the audience in on the unknown feeling by starting the story after the memory loss has taken hold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,823 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Starting with the memory loss has been done a few times on ST, don't need another



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,924 ✭✭✭squonk


    That was an hour of good old fashioned proper trek. It really reminded me of watching TNG back in the day. Not every episode has to be a 10 and that wasn’t for sure but it was just good solid stuff so what more can I say.



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    And and... more character development. See, Trek works best when everyone gets to solve issues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,823 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    Are you trying to say Burnham isn't the be all and end all



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    Absolutely not, all hail Burnham.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,471 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Was I the only one wondering how Ortegas got the turbolift to move without holding onto the handle?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya that really annoyed me in the way only unimportant details can.

    It was an okay episode. Similar to the weaker ones last season it was a decent watch but won't live long in the memory 😁. I think people are using "old school Trek" to gloss over a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Another annoying detail was after Spock gave Ortegas her pad and then they start to forget who they are Spock picks up his pad but did not even suggest that Ortegas do the same maybe he had forgot but in fact her pad seems to have disappeared. Maybe it's there and we could just not see it.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    It was okay. Bit disappointed as I was expecting more. Especially as this was supposed to be the main "Ortegas episode" for the season and she had **** all to do other than pretend to fly the ship like she's on a go karting off-site again. She's better fleshed out that most of Discovery's characters, we can easily remember her name and function. But in a show that has the best focus on character development in a Trek show since DS9 imo, she stands out as the one who's had the least attention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Her character just seems to be "generic hotshot pilot". They need to do a Geordie on her and find another angle because right now she is easily the weakest character.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,905 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Yeah, she is just not that interesting compared to the rest of them at the moment.

    I also want more of the Chief Engineer

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I can't stand the engineer.

    Is it just to be cheap that we never get engineers as main characters anymore. Saves on sets or something.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher


    I think they want to get away from the anomaly of the week type of storytelling that would see Geordi technobable his way to a solution week in week out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Is a kryptonite meteor that wipes memory not an anomaly of the week ?

    Now they just fly their way out while wisecracking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Ye me either but she is new so I will give her a chance. I think a new young engineer would have been better for the Enterprise one who maybe finds the workload to stressful and eventually goes to another shop when Scotty takes over.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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    I like the new engineer but damn if the original wasn't interesting and engaging



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    I was looking at it. I was getting excited. I was like.. "ooh, they're gonna do the thing" but then they didn't do the thing and I was like.. oh.

    Thinking about it now, like why wouldn't anyone grab the handholds.. especially in a disorientated state like that. Bit of a missed opportunity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,815 ✭✭✭Evade


    A fine episode, could be better could be worse. How big was the original away team? There was a lot of equipment left.

    On Ortegas, she kind of needs a hobby, something else for her character besides pilot.

    I'd eventually like an episode that switches up the standard memory loss idea where everyone knows who they are but have completely forgotten how to do their jobs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Johnny Storm


    Ortega's: "abso-friggin'-lutely" FTW



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    Or everyone gets another's skills but not the composure which comes with experience



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,815 ✭✭✭Evade




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭corkie


    @AMKC Actually in some ways you could say it was an Ortegas centric episode.

    More of Ortegas in season 2, kind of spoiler article for future episodes: -



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭Mormegil


    How big was the original away team? 


    Three Dead and Seven injured (as stated in The Cage / The Menagerie), so at least ten.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I really enjoyed that episode: this show has definitely found a groove that while no longer surprises like Season 1 did, still entertained to a standard that has become comfortable. Which in of itself shows how strong the show has remained across these 1.5 seasons.

    And this is a show that recognises the story types that work with Trek, and puts enough of a spin on them to keep them feeling vaguely fresh. In this case, a classic case of the entire crew coming down with space sickness, a few lone souls managing to find a solution; I like here how the day was saved by Pike and Ortegas working their own threads that as a whole, saved the day. We got a few little character moments and while yeah Ortegas is a bit of a non entity ATM, I feel like we're due her own Dedicated Episode anyway

    So Yeah nothing memorable - which is apt given the plot! - but a demonstration that the show is coming together quite well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭corkie


    The Starfleet service record of Lt. Spock (Ethan Peck) was seen in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds season 2, episode 4, and it omits mention of Spock's adopted sister, .........


    While most of Spock's service record appears logical, there are two interesting facts that stand out. The first is that Sybok is listed as Spock's half-brother, indicating that Starfleet is aware of the rogue Vulcan heretic. The other is the lack of reference to then-Commander (now Captain) Michael Burnham of the USS Discovery, Spock's adopted sister.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭pjcb


    OK so these ships have a crew of 203 with only one doctor? and seemingly only one pilot?

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    I think

    I was just thinking the same. I think William S underrated as an actor. He just did vulnerable masculinity with great panche. It was a so so episode.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,447 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I imagine it is a "Chief Medical Officer", but for simplicities sake, you don't see the other medics unless it's an emergency, they have other, less important jobs the rest of the time. I imagine in that time, the need for a GP for every minor ailment is not really existent or at least, only takes about 2 minutes per patient, so on a normal day, if everyone came down with something minor, it still would only occupy a bare working day.

    As for the pilot, I imagine it is just a shift thing, just like every other Trek show. I know a few of them have done a parody of the "night shift", they have loads of pilots, Ortega is just considered the best one and called in outside of her day shift when something big is happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I've definitely seen other medics walking around in the background on the show.

    As for Ortegas, "I fly the ship" is literally her entire character to the point of parody so I imagine she just doesn't sleep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,815 ✭✭✭Evade


    Having a doctor and a nurse on a military(ish) ship with a crew of 200 is a huge medical staff. Most navies would have one person with training more in line with a very well trained paramedic on a ship that size.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    "We've never needed a crew before".



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Star Trek has always quietly ignored the idea of Shifts anyway - bar Lower Decks which made a small running joke about it. By rights the ensemble should be even bigger than it is, with whole episodes featuring the Night or Backup shifts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,815 ✭✭✭Evade


    Shifts come up quite a bit but rarely more than a throwaway line



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    That's what I mean. Just throwaway stuff that amounts to being ignored; which I get. It'd be very weird if TNG periodically had some crazy alien adventures befall Acting Captain Bob and his trusty Number 1, Sandra.



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    An exploration ship in the middle of space, days/weeks/months from backup with a crew of aliens and meeting who knows what?

    Better have a 2nd doctor in the house



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,815 ✭✭✭Evade


    It would usually be one of the other bridge officers in command, even Harry Kim gets a shot at it a few times a week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,815 ✭✭✭Evade


    The same could be said for a ship or sub at war.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not really. The Enterprise is an exploration vessel which will come across unexpected spacial dangers and novel diseases.

    I know very few modern ships which are months away from help, anywhere on Earth, or any which will encounter a subspace rift or disease no one has ever seen before with no means of resupply



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,815 ✭✭✭Evade


    The only Enterprise to be months away from help was the NX. But it's about crew efficiency, having multiple doctors doing nothing for days or weeks on end is a waste. As it is M'Benga and Chapel don't seem to be very busy most of the time outside of their pet projects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,765 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    "Star Trek has always quietly ignored the idea of Shifts anyway"




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