Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I think you're objecting in the wrong place. Take your complaints to Moscow and see how far you get. Hopefully your demise won't be too slow and painful.

A bit much what? These are conventional weapons and Russia has already used them. If these help to kill & maim larger numbers of Russian military that remain on Ukrainian territory, they'll have served their purpose. You hardly expect an invaded country to be gentlemanly about these things? If they help to serve the purpose of furthering the repulsion of Russian forces more speedily, well maybe many more Ukrainian lives will be saved. I'm sure you'd want that?

This is still in the rumour sphere as no reliable source I usually follow has mentioned it yet, but OP himself is speculating on the source, will see if its got clout to it later, still, interesting if true

Well, when the Russians are using White Phosphorus shells, that's the red line for me, everything that is available, no matter how unacceptable it may be to civilized Country's, should be used on them. They have put them selves beyond any kind of "Humanitarian" consideration.

Looks like, just when they thought it was safe to go back in the water.....sooner or later, one of these missiles will get through. I imagine that it will work wonders for the " Crimean Property's for sale" Auctioneer's.

Even to breaking into my house, raping my Wife / Daughter, and robbing my kids? Which is what you are suggesting the Ukrainian's should do, reduce themselves to the same level as the Russian Monsters.

To a large extent, Ukraine are fighting with one arm tied behind their backs. But after a white phosphorus attack, if Ukraine retaliated with an equally deadly weapon, the Orcs would not be long getting the message, when you use Phosphorus, we will retaliate using XXX,. Would not be long before the phosphorus bombing attacks stop. The question is will Ukraine do or even be allowed to do it like this?

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Especially if it helps to bring the war to an end. If you even think for a minute, the sheer Nrs of munition's used these last 16 mths, by both sides, and the % of unexploded munitions, before you even get to the different types of mines, from anti-tank to anti- personal mines, its simply staggering. It will be many years, before Ukraine can be declared mine / UXO free, if ever.

Yes, it will have to be an international demining effort. And any new improved mine detection implement's are more than welcome of course. But for every new detection / removal method designed, there's an opposite effort in making them even more undetectable. Drones with metal detecting equipment, are for sure a great idea.....no human interaction on the ground at that stage anyway, so lessens the risk. But now they have minimum metal mines, both anti-personnel and anti-tank. So no matter which way you look at it, mines are very bad news.

That...and the bizzare use of zombie Boards accounts that have had no activity for years and then suddenly burst to life on this very thread with pro-Kremlin posts.

It's somewhat clever in the sense that they've learned that we'll automatically reject new-reg posters spreading Russian propiganda. But only somewhat since what they are doing is also clearly artifical.

It's a testiment to the quality and sheer grit of the AFU soldiers compared to their Russian foe.

The Russians had the advantage of scale, numbers, and huge border to move around without fear of attack. Early on they also had stronger morale collectively and Ukriane was in real danger of thier capital being taken while they fought back with their own Soviet-era hand-me-downs. But the Russians failed, and they have continued to fail to this very day. They have failed in the tactical war, and they have failed in the logistical war. They tried to enflamed a culture war within Ukriane with the Russian speakers there and just galvanised everyone into a single national identity, which is possibly their greatest failure...they had reenforced the spirit of their own enemy.

The AFU are proffesional and they are motivated. They know why they are there, and what the stakes are. This is for their home, and everyone they care about, and not about a cabal of self-agrandnising bell-ends in Moscow wanting plant little Russian flags on the the map.

I think you'll see that poster Oisín has been around a deal longer than you or you in your current guise. They've also been active on this thread over several months iirc, with the same sort of equivocation when it comes to this war.

Losses pilling up for Russia.

Strapping a roller to the front of a tank is an old idea. I saw it used a long time ago in Grozny. The tank rolled over the mine and blew it, but because the roller was on two extended arm's attached to the tractor, it was just lifted up into the air, before falling down and on to the next mine. Grand, until the Chechens decided to link two mines together, placing them the same distance apart as from the centre of the tank, to the centre of the roller. The first mine had its trigger removed, and linked to the trigger of mine Nr 2. So the tank pushed the roller over mine nr 1, ( no reaction) but when it hit mine nr2, both mines exploded simultaneously. Bye bye, tank and roller, but in any case, the roller was only good for 3 / 4 mines. Would be great if they had drones carrying equipment which could detect explosive's and could map the locations of mines. Metal detectors, which were and are still used in mine detection, can only function in mines that have metal in them, but there are mines now that can carry a 12 kg explosive charge but only use a few grams of metal. So you have one side taking a step or move, and the other countering it.

The problem with that line of reasoning is, will Ukraine hold their admittedly war torn Country, or will Vladimir Putin have it? Because while Ukraine have no say in the condition it will be in, their very survival as a nation is at stake, and Putin has stated this. First things first, and the priority at the moment is kick the Russians out of Ukraine, using the most effective weapons available, be they Cluster bombs or "other" ? i have absolutely no compunctions about Ukraine using cluster munitions, and believe that the US manufactured ones have a very low failure rate, plus they are time fused, if they don't explode on impact, then they will decay within a certain time limit. Russian / Chinese / Korean cluster bombs, with much higher failure rate, don't have this inbuilt protection.

So Turkey is looking for the EU door to be open for them before opening NATO door for Sweden. Let’s face it, there’s zero appetite for Turkey to join the EU so who knows how this will play out.