Too many people would have to keep it a secret...

Any yet Markus is claiming that as something that proves the conceit of the thread and to declare us bizarre for not agreeing with it.

The amount of waffle posted on these forums touted as "fact". Must be dozens of discredited conspiracy theories.

And you're still clinging on to one falsehood, the lab leak. The theory was that it was man made, on purpose, in a lab.

And no, I don't think Dee was the only one who knew. But there were clearly too many people to keep it a secret. Which is why it came out.

So again, you are claiming that this somehow proves your insistence that all conspiracy theories can be true, but then point out that it was too big to be kept secret.

And again, you are proposing this in the context of your own claimed belief that all space travel is faked.

The people at RTE were too greedy trying to pocket a few million. And this was what exposed them.

Meanwhile millions of people are involved in the fake space industry, spending trillions over decades for literally no reason. And this to you is something that can be obviously kept secret.

Again, you are exposing how your own argument fails.

RTE has a grand total of 1800.

The number of people who would need to be involved in your conspiracy theory about space travel would be in the millions, spaning many countries, agencies and companies.

You are contending that RTE was exposed because "they were too big".

This clearly does not make sense, hence why you aren't addressing it.

Deceptions can exist within organisations. But the rest of your post is illogical. How does that disprove "too many people would have to keep it secret"?

Your post is completely lacking in logic and evidence.

It was missed by earlier auditors because of how it was reported, and the amounts.

You're implying, completely without any evidence or justification, that the earlier auditors spotted it and knew what was going on and kept quiet.

What do you have to justify that? I'm guessing nothing?

Whereas what seems to have happened is that it come up on audit radar as it was over €100,000 when two payments were bundled together.

Tubridy received two payments of €75,000 each in 2022, totalling €150,000 (being a payment for 2021 and a payment for 2022). It was these payments that prompted the review by Grant Thornton in late March of this year. 

https://www.thejournal.ie/external-investigation-potential-financial-issue-rte-6100006-Jun2023/#:~:text=In%20a%20statement%20released%20by,was%20understated%20publicly%20since%202017.

There never was a secret, it was a lie that was repeated until it became “fact”, it’s not difficult at all to maintain.

No one at this stage is keeping any secret, millions blindly take it as fact.

More chance of a lad in Jerusalem turning water into wine, billions take that to be “fact” too.

Or is everyone still keeping a secret?

Moving the goalposts. Your original false accusation was: "so there are currently zero deceptions going on that will not be revealed in due course".

You are now making a different false accusation and applying an argument that no one is making. All while refusing to address a single point made to you.

Markus believes that all space flight is faked by Nasa and that no space missions or satellites actually exist. He has vaguely hinted at being a flat earther but refuses to clarify.

I love statements like below

NASA, specifically the deceptive facet of it, is run by a very small number of former CIA agents

Absolute waffle

This is a fatal flaw of conspiracy theories. They need to rely on small numbers of people because the theorists know that if there's too many people, the conspiracy would be exposed. They know that argument debunks their theories every time. The fact RTE couldn't keep their dirty laundry from being exposed shows this.

This is why they have to declare that it's only a small team or a small cadre of people.

But when it comes time to explain how this small cadre actually achieves the conspiracy, they just dodge and ignore the question because they know that also debunks the conspiracy. They know that discussing or outlining what they believe would show how impossible the conspiracy theory is, and they can't allow that to happen.

For example, theorists here let slip that they thought that the twin towers were rigged for demolition by 16 people over a weekend. They quickly started to avoid this and refused to elaborate any further because it was obvious how silly that notion was.

Here we have someone suggesting that a "very small number" of CIA agents is faking every single space launch around the world and have been doing so for decades.

Would love to know how small this number is and how they are able to pull this off.

Too bad Markus has no interest in actually discussing his conspiracy theory.

It also bares pointing out that the claim is also false in that Nasa isn't run by CIA agents, former or otherwise.

Not sure what you are referring to.

The contention that Markus claims is that Nasa is part of a global conspiracy to fake all spaceflight.

This is the cover up being discussed. And according to believers in this notion, they are keeping this a secret.

I think the Satanist thing comes from the whole religious flat earther stuff that Markus is getting his arguments from.

Most flat earthers believe that all governments are secretly controlled by satanists who are trying to convince people that the Earth is round. (Which would contradict the notion that it's only a few ex-CIA guys.)

The idea that Nasa is founded by a satanist is evidence of this, but for some reason he isn't being named.

I suspect it's because he's refering to Jack Parsons, who wasn't a Satanist or a scientologist and didn't found Nasa.

But again Jack Parsons wasn't a Satanist, wasn't a scientologist and didn't found Nasa.

JPL didn't "become Nasa" nor was it founded by Parsons alone. He was also fired from his position before Nasa was founded.

As always you aren't able to even get basic facts correct.

You've still not actually explained what the relevance of this false accusation even is. I suspect that it's related to your religious flat earther beliefs.

Yes people tend to want to correct folks when they claim false things. Nothing strange about that.

What is strange is your refusal to engage or acknowledge when your claims are debunked and continue as if they weren't and assume that everyone else also cannot see what you're ignoring.

Also note that you've once against shifted to a new strawman, having abandoned your previous ones.

No one's buying a narrative that they are an upstanding, honorable, honest company.

No one's arguing that or saying that's the reason that your conspiracy theory is not believable.

It's very odd that you think your argument is strong, yet you keep having to rely on this childish tactic.

And again, you've contradicted your own argument.

If the RTE scandal can be randomly exposed, then a scandal orders of magnitude in size, time scale, stakes and implications would also be randomly exposed.

Nasa cannot be an example of a scandal because you keep failing to show it is an actual scandal.

Again you are accusing them of faking all spaceflight.

Edit:

You are now even adding a new layer of complexity and contradiction.

On top of needing millions of people to stay quiet they are also dropping obvious clues intentionally.

That's completely silly.

Nope. Not facts. jack Parsons wasn't a Satanist, didn't found Nasa and wasn't part of a conspiracy to fake space flight. JPL was not "renamed Nasa." Wikipedia does not back up any of your assertions because they are all false.

And yes the one of the arguments against the notion of a faked moon landing was that too many people would be involved. (You are not able to actually address this argument, nor any of the dozens of other points brought up that debunked the notion of a fake moon landing or your even more extreme notion that all space flight is faked.)

The fact that a smaller, lower stakes conspiracy wasn't able to be kept secret demonstrates this.

RTE being exposed is not an example of people doing a really good job of keeping secrets. It's the opposite.