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Ladies footballers and camogie will play 'under protest' over lack of progress on welfare

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,709 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    that sounds good !! its well for yee ! 😃

    I think the problem with girls/ladies is usually down to numbers in a lot of smaller clubs .... Games having to be rescheduled because one team has 3-4 away in Irish school/hols etc etc etc .....

    And then you have 'blitzes' at the weekend where theres two panels of 25 playing u14/16 camogie , and/or 35-40 playing GF ... so that cuts out any games at the weekend...

    And we have a 'fixtures secretary' that has his finger in so many pies that he cant get the fixtures sorted - late notice, No notice, no results put up etc etc .... 😣

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    That article loses any hope of credibility before you even get to the first paragraph of the article itself.

    The subhead says women "are simply campaigning for an equal share of resources". But there aren't equal resources in the first place. Resources of the two women's associations are nowhere near the resources of the GAA.

    It's further evidence to show how members of the women's associations are just hoping for handouts from resources of another association which they had no hand in bringing in in the first place, and while continuing to have absolutely no concrete proposals themselves of how to increase the resources of any of the three associations.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭celt262


    Was watching that earlier barely 100 at it would be lucky to have 50 paying into it would have more at a club league game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭crusd


    The women of Ireland had no part in making the GAA what it is today? The misogyny is strong in the this one.

    The GAA was a ground up organisation developed from communities all over the country. That society did not value female sport when the organisation developed is not the fault of players playing today. What the GAA is today is built on the entire society not just men



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭crusd


    Probably more than would be at a Mayo hurling match. Yet they still rightly get a minimum standard



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭celt262


    Yeah because the Mayo hurlers play with an organisation that has the funding and the gates from other matches allow it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 Lo d


    Definitely agree the LGFA have their prices wrong. I paid 20 euro in to a match today. The pricing is so wrong. Encourage as many to attend as possible to start with.

    But it’s simple enough for me. These girls put in a huge amount of effort and deserve what they are seeking, they have never once asked for anything crazy, just fair treatment. At the end of the day all 3 organisations are merging and need to be able to work together. The LGFA and camogie should be ashamed of themselves. The GAA are probably rightly horrified they are being added to the disastrous mix.

    After the match today the ladies spent so long out signing jerseys, giving away their gloves, and talking to all the fans who waited after the game to see them. They are role models to our young kids, boys and girls. We know it’s not premier league but they are so dedicated to their sport and deserve to be treated fairly.

    whether people believe dual is right or wrong at a county level is one thing, but in our club kids as young as 9 are having to pick as everything clashes. Only on the girls side though…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭celt262


    No cop on atall with their pricing and I will say it again going up against the biggest GAA games of the year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    In fairness there are only so many weekends in the summer. With mens and womens championships all having provincial, then groups and finally knockout rounds how can they avoid clashing?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    It's obviously very hard with so many other matches going on let alone other activities to attract any sort of crowds to the matches .Most county fans tend to really just go to the senior men's games and that is about it .But definitely try and cut the cost to matches and see if that has any impact .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,709 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    You on about money again ??? 😣


    Just because ORiordan writes a pretty bad article , just bemoaning lack of financial equality, doesnt make it 100% true.

    That is not what the players are complaining about ......

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    …….



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    All well and good but they'd change their tune if/when their own welfare and expenses allowance were slashed to achieve parity with the women's teams. The GPA would blow a gasket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,804 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    What do they want that doesn't involve money?

    Obviously, synchronization between football and camogie. But there is nothing the GAA can do about that as its the camogie association and LGFA that make the fixtures.

    Access to gear, pitches, physios all costs money. Money those associations currently don't have. It doesn't seem crazy to me that the GAA want to integrate before spending the money as then they have control over where the money goes. Get a physio on staff that can cover all county teams for instance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭celt262


    The ladies bodies will be loving that statement with the men now putting pressure on for the GAA to open up the cheque book and bail out their sinking ships.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    The statement demands that minimum standards are agreed for 2024.

    But everyone agrees that there should be basic minimum requirements met - the question is how is this funded.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Absolutely 100% nail on the head.

    Ask the men's team captains "do you support in principle the idea of female players having the same standard of facilities and benefits as you do?", and of course they're going to say yes.

    Now put this to them: "would you and your team-mates accept a cut in the standard of facilities and benefits you currently get, so that some of these resources can be diverted to female players instead? Things affected may include travelling expenses, meals, overnight trips if travelling a long distance for a match, and playing gear."

    Chances are you'd get a different answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,709 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    I was told that it would cost an extra €100,000 to fund the travelling expenses of the county senior team.

    And then add the Intermediates into that.

    Its a lot of money.

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Right, time for some figures. I've looked at the 2022 Financial Reports for all three associations.

    • GAA distributed over €5 million under the heading "Team Costs" - €2.4 million in team expenses, €2 million in players' mileage, and €742,000 in players' nutrition. Individual County Boards would have had their own spending on top of that.
    • Camogie Association report gives no corresponding heading or figure. Closest thing to it is a combined figure of just €104,000 for "Initiatives, Programmes, Grants & Player Welfare".
    • LGFA doesn't give any directly corresponding figures for funding for inter-county teams either. But even if you give them the benefit of the doubt and say that every single cent of funding for Members Expenses (€48,000), Meetings/Meals/Accommoation (€163,000) and Footballs/Jerseys/Gear (€255,000) went to inter-county teams, that still a total of just €466,000.

    Clear to see we're talking a shortfall of millions of euro per year before female players can get anything even close to what male players yet. And I repeat yet again that the two women's associations still have absolutely no proposals themselves on how to make up this shortfall.

    Even if the GAA agreed to meet them halfway, they'd still have to come up with a few million euro themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,709 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    Calculate how many members each Assoc has?

    Waaaay more in Gaa than in the Camogie and LGFA combined .........

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭celt262


    There is but they still haven't a clue how they can make up any shortfall.

    Being honest they never will so if they come on board the GAA will have to take funding that goes to grass roots and infrastructure to give the ladies funding for there travel/nutrition etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    You're missing the point. The GAA figure of €5 million relates to team costs for inter-county teams, not for costs for all teams involving all members and all units of the Association.

    There's roughly the same number of women's inter-county teams as there are men's. If anything, there may even be more, on account of how some counties compete in two grades in the camogie championships.

    One association gives over €5 million per year in supports to their inter-county teams, while the other two give mere pittances by comparison. And I repeat yet again - still no proposals from anyone, anywhere, on how these two associations can themselves increase the level of supports they give.

    Look, nobody here - not me, not anyone else - is claiming that female players are wrong to ask for better. But the issue remains that they and their associations need to take on at least some added responsbility here, instead of just continuing to hope for handouts from another association altogether. Particularly when we're talking millions of euro each year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭celt262


    Great weekend of action coming up next weekend in the Quarter finals of the LGFA All -Ireland Championships

    Galway v Mayo; Pearse Stadium, Salthill

    Armagh v Cork Box-It Athletic Grounds,

    Kerry v Meath Austin Stack Park, Tralee,

    Donegal v Dublin MacCumhaill Park, Ballybofey,


    It's just a pity that there are big GAA games next weekend also. Only for TG4 these games would never see the light of day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 868 ✭✭✭purifol0


    This is literally how financial shenanigans in the FAI, RTÉ and every other Registered Charity happens. A load of cash is given to them (usually for all the right reasons) and the people at the very top of said org decide how its spent with sod all oversight. A few years on and the grassroots are just fed up with them and eventually they get audited a couple of years down the line and lo and behold we find out the money didnt go where it was supposed to, putting the whole Org in jeopardy.

    Frankly its a great argument against paying taxes, and for letting people spend their own money on their own hobbies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Honestly don't know what you're on about here, or why you're comparing the GAA to RTE and the FAI.

    All I'll say is it's a spectacular display of naivety if you think there's sod all oversight of financial matters in the GAA, and that it's just a couple of bigwigs making arbitrary decisions on where money should go. I can only presume you're not involved in GAA administration in any way yourself, because if you were, you'd know how detailed the oversights are at every step of the way and at every level from club upwards.

    I invite you to look for yourself to see how detailed the annual overall financial statements are. To get you started, the most recent one is available if you scroll to the bottom of this page: https://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-report-healthy-financial-year/

    Financial reports, auditors notes, etc., run from page 118 to page 254. It's the most detailed financial report of any sporting organisation I know, and certainly far more detailed than the FAI, LGFA, and Camogie Association.



  • Registered Users Posts: 868 ✭✭✭purifol0


    I wasn't talking about the GAA but all the other orgs that want a piece of their funding. Demanding funding from the big well run and profitable GAA, with no concrete proposal on how exactly how monies will be divied up is the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Okay. Thanks for clarifying.

    However, I don't think how the other associations would divvy out the money is in question. I suspect that if the slogan for the campaign (#UnitedforEquality) is to be taken literally, then they'd be looking to share it out in much or exactly the same way the GAA does. The main issue remains how or where this money is to come from in the first place.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,495 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    But surely it should be in question?

    It seems that the other orgs have consistently been light on details about what they are going to do, going to bring to the table, what their proposals are, etc etc etc. The obvious conclusion is that they will also be light on details about how they are going to spend any money they do get from the GAA in the end. And that is the perfect scenario for misappropriation of funds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Kilkenny not fully supporting their fellow players today but they have a history of that i guess



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Very strange. Why did Kilkenny wear the united for equality shirt if they're not going to stand with other teams and go through with the protest?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,709 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    Ohhhh...

    Are ooou from Cork boiiiii ??

    Or worse again ..... a Tipp lad ?

    its usually one of them ..

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,709 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Unfortunate that they cut that clip off just as it seemed to be about to get interesting.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,709 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    True.

    I was watching the games and thinking that to.

    Why arent women supporting camogie and ladies GF , and yet they will go to mens games in their thousands?

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    ……..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,709 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    Everyone knows a radio is useless in Windgap ......... 🙄




    Pathetic 'prize' ....... 😣

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    So much going on there....

    Looks to be a Roberts Rambler BT Stereo radio/bluetooth speaker - currently on offer in Harvey Norman for €129 - https://www.harveynorman.ie/tvs-headphones/audio/internet-radio/roberts-rambler-bt-stereo-dab-dab-fm-radio-with-bluetooth-green.html

    Presume the usual retail price is more than that. So it's possibly of greater financial value than the hurling man of the match award.

    But perception is everything, and yes, it does look pathetic by comparison.

    Don't know who sponsors the hurling MOTM, but they obviously weren't allowed get away with just handing over some stock they had on the shelves. Instead, part of the deal was obviously that special trophies be commissioned.

    Wouldn't have taken much on behalf of the Camogie Association to say to their sponsors that okay, if you want to sponsor Player of the Match awards for four quarter-finals, you throw in €400 and get trophies worth having. Instead, they accept radios that will quite likely be left to sit in their box, for months on end. But all the while, they're probably clapping themselves on the back for having brought in a sponsor in the first place.

    It's indicative of the differences in how the two associations do things from a commercial and financial point of view.

    Post edited by Uncle Pierre on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    And for an alternative view....the same Sarah Nell as above reckons that a radio is actually a better prize than the crystal glass:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    have to agree, sure the crystal only ends up in the parents cupboard in their good room. radio or whatever along those lines would be something useful



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Think it's more the optics regarding the trophy v radio .Would agree radio is more use than a trophy which wouldn't hold pride of place in the house for long .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    GPA claim GAA blocked All-Ireland semi-final teams from showing support for camogie and ladies football protest



    Fairly gutless response from Sligo Tom and the boys. Their silence in this dispute is deafening...... Comes across as 'We're OK girls' and we don't want to rock the boat.

    Some solidarity....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    "the GPA and its membership, male and female, want a charter that guarantees adequate medical, gym, nutrition and travel expenses in time for next season, irrespective of the talks."

    Parson and the GPA still have no proposals over where the funding for all these extras is to come from, apart from a general "the GAA could pay for it". Nor has he specified which part of the GAA budget should be cut in order to fund these extras. Coaching and Games Promotion? Capital grants for club and county facilities? Funding for male players?

    Which part of Peter does he want to rob to pay Paul?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭celt262


    The GAA need to stay strong on this and not be walked over it isn't there problem another organisation doesn't have the funding to give players what they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    They should be all the same organization, though, at one time they were, they are the same in all but name at everything except elite level,l especially within clubs, and will be again.

    There can't be a situation where the lads are getting looked after and the women are out of pocket. That it was allowed get this far is a poor reflection on the GAA and the alphabet soup of other organizations. and the GPA for trying to pull the ladder up after themselves once the lads got brought into the tent in Croke Park.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭celt262


    Can't see how this is any fault of the GAA they do plenty for them already by given them use of pitches and facilities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭cms88


    Something like this happened with a camogie in Kerry. They had been using a GAA club. all football, for a few years when they started. The GAA club who only have one pitch said they couldn't accommodate them as there were too many using the pitch and was hard to keep up maintenance etc Camogie club then goes to the media saying they were trow out or words like that when it wasn't actually true at all.



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