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BBC Scandal - Huw Edwards formally suspended over payment of explicit images of teenager Read OP*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭supermans ghost


    Keep going, you’ll get there eventually in the end.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,549 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Where is it declared all the actions (other than covid rules) were legal?

    There is no such statement in the Guardian article you linked. And that was written before the new accusations.

    So it is misrepresentation by you linking it as if it somehow supports the claims in your post - it does not.

    The BBC were asked by the police to pause their own internal investigation.

    Even if conduct legal that does not mean codes of BBC conduct were followed.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    There is a difference between legal and just immoral.

    If for example a presenter was using someones drug addiction as leverage to get them to do stuff, that's still wrong. It could be someone who holds the public trust.

    Let me give you an example. If I go to see a boxing match, that's ok. I'm paying to see people fight but they're professionals and it's their job. If I paid two homeless people 50 euro each to beat each other up, that would be wrong. I'm taking someone vulnerable and using it against them.

    Likewise, if I buy a newspaper/magazine with a topless woman in it, that's ok. But if I see a homeless drug addict begging and I tell them they'll get money if they show their breasts, that's wrong.

    And it's probably all legal.

    In this case, it could be someone paying money to an onlyfans account. Perfectly legal and aboveboard. But it could also be something worse.

    Now I need to bookend this by saying that it's the sun. They're dishonest. Even with this story, they've rowed back. No-one should be named until something is shown to be bad. Unless there's a criminal charge or the BBC discover something substantial that they feel the people need to know, there should be no naming and shaming.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,782 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    At this stage, legal or otherwise, this presenters career is over.

    Had there been no accusation of illegality I wonder would the BBC have reprimanded him - I don’t think so considering their inaction when the lesser story was shared with them back in May.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,782 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Karppi




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,088 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    This whole story now seems like a bunch of sensationalist crap. Older man seeks kinky images and meet-up with younger adults and pays for same.

    The only law that may have been broken is covid lockdown rules. Slap on the wrist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,529 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    But his career as a public figure/broadcaster will suffer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,400 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    I feel sorry for his wife and kids to be honest, they are the real victims here. He should have stuck to pornhub to get his rocks off.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,987 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Is The Sun paying all the men who are now crawling out of the woodwork?

    From what we know nothing illegal has occurred in relation to the interactions with these men, it's definitely morally dubious, awful for the presenter's wife and family and his career is over, but it's typical tabloid fodder unless evidence of criminality emerges.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    What consenting adults get up to in their spare time is not the business of the public.

    Suppose we will see another witch hunt like the Philip Schofield story again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭maebee


    Google is your friend here CJ. His name is all over the internet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,549 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It is if there is money changing hands and abusive messages are being sent.

    It is also to establish if all of these things only involved adults.

    It might be police business, and it certainly seems like BBC business.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    It MIGHT be police business. And PROBABLY is BBC business.

    But it's definitely not the business of the general public.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,549 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    What is the business of the general public then?

    How is it not the business of the general public if someone is charged with an offence?

    How is it not the business of the public why someone in a public role at a public broadcaster is stood down and disciplined?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,100 ✭✭✭squonk


    Maybe I’m naive but I don’t see how Mr X will never work again if they have not been officially identified. I am aware that there is speculation on who the person might be but it’s never been officially confirmed so it’s really here say and conjecture. I certainly can’t have on heart say I know fur certain and whoever it is is entitled to anonymity until a criminal charge is brought against then. Until then it’s an internal BBC matter and Mr X is subject to any disciplinary measures they may or may not take.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The younger man, who is now 20, is backing up the BBC presenter. But of course the law in the UK says its illegal to share explicit images with someone aged 17 and under. I don't know who is telling the truth in this case. The Sun is not exactly where I would normally look for the truth, after their disgraceful defamation of the Liverpool fans at Hillsborough in 1989 and since.

    The parents of the young man are believed to be those who made the complaint in the first place. Are they just controlling parents who don't accept they have a gay son? Or perhaps the allegations are true. I don't know.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭kaymin


    It's not for a journalist to declare behaviour illegal or not but the fact of the matter is none of his behaviour has been deemed illegal so far and there's no reason to consider it illegal based on the information available.

    What do you know about BBC's code? The presenter is entitled to his privacy and what he does in his private time, as long as legal, should not be the BBC's business.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    If someone is charged and goes to court it is reported.

    What 2 consenting adults get up to us not the business of the general public. As far as I'm aware there has been no charges and unless there is, it still remains no-one else's business.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Although the police have taken over the investigation? There's obviously serious suspicions of illegality.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,549 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's not for journalists no. But apparently it is for you to make statements such as "there's no reason to consider it illegal"?

    Your statement has no foundation.

    And I'm guessing said journalists might be running this stuff past their legal counsels...

    What do you know about the BBC's code?

    IS that what it says???

    "what he does in his private time, as long as legal, should not be the BBC's business."

    I'm guessing not?

    So I'm basing my comments on past cases. Tabloids have for example named both parties having an affair, where they have slam dunk proof of same. What happened privacy entitlements there?

    If you have something solid to counter that fire ahead. I'm not an expert by any means but you are making statements of fact based on opinions of what things 'should be' that have no basis. My posts reflect things as they are.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭lbunnae


    Agree , however the police are investigating so we don't know how consenting people were. Either way his career is over which is unfair if he did nothing illegal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I've heard every single BBC presenter mentioned as a possibility.

     I certainly can’t have on heart say I know fur certain and whoever it is is entitled to anonymity until a criminal charge is brought against then.

    Is that a typo or a subtle nod to who we all know it is?

    I heard he did broadcasts with a mans fist up his you know what.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭kaymin


    I find the distinction between your examples a little hazy - when it comes down to it, they're all doing it for money and they each have their own motivations for wanting the money - also some people would consider you buying pornography to be immoral - many in the porn industry are taken advantage of and are drug addicts. If it's true the presenter paid £35k then I think it's more likely he was being blackmailed. He never met the guy so there's no reason to believe the presenter knew anything about his drug habit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    The dogs in the street know which presenter is being discussed



  • Registered Users Posts: 86,256 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I think the parents were worried as the son was addicted to drugs over the payments he received



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    It's not hazy. I would say that forcing two homeless people to fight for money for food is immoral. The fact that you don't says a lot about you.

    Making an addict flash for money is also wrong.

    There's a massive power imbalance and the person is vulnerable.

    I will say the sum here is big. But we don't yet know details. My point was that just because something's legal doesn't make it morally right. It could be despicable and still be legal. And if it's a person who holds the public trust, then the public have a right to know.

    BUT, as I mentioned earlier, I don't think anyone should be named until there's been an investigation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,931 ✭✭✭Xander10


    They were so worried they sold the story to The Sun for cash



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭kaymin


    The Sun already reported that the Stepfather was told the police they could not investigate because nothing illegal took place. The police themselves have stated that they are carrying out further inquiries to establish whether any crime has been committed, however, the Sun is rowing back on the one accusation of illegality (child porn) that triggered all of this off - so yes, there's every reason to believe nothing illegal occurred. This is not a statement of fact btw.

    In terms of privacy, it depends whether it falls into the category of being in the public interest.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,549 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Hold on a second there. We were discussing multiple different accusations and now you are referring me back to only the first one and only what The Sun is saying.

    The BBC were asked to pause their internal investigation by the police on foot of the new accusations. To state "there's every reason to believe nothing illegal occurred" is completely without foundation.

    In looking at the new accusations, more information may emerge on them and the original accusation.

    Your information is out of date and it is false and disingenuous to mispresent that earlier police comment as applicable to all of the conduct.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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