Too many people would have to keep it a secret...

It's not just NASA, this poster believes all space travel is faked, the moon landings, Mars probes, international missions, everything, that e.g. the Russian space agency, Chinese, European, Japanese are all faking it. That global satellites companies are in on it. That, by extension, astronomers, physicists, schools, universities, the global free press, scientists all over the world are either "dumb" or in on it. Coincidentally this poster believes Newton's third law is bunk and that rockets can't work in the vacuum of space. Can put two and two together there.

So it's no surprise with that type of logic: People at RTE being unable to keep something secret for a few years = Millions of people over decades able to keep faked space travel a secret

You believe it's impossible that rockets work in the vacuum of space (among many other bizarre misunderstandings of secondary school physics) Therefore you maintain that the global space program for the last 70 years is "fake", e.g. you've claimed the ISS is "fake" despite multiple posters pointing out that you can physically see it.

"I don't understand something, therefore conspiracy"

Ahhh I see. I get you. No logic is needed. No discussion about what a Satanist is or is not. No real deep dive analysis about NASA.

I can shout about this for eternity and nothing will change. Your mind is made up, facts be damned.

Your posts are just mental. Well and truly mental. The point where people shouldn't even be debating with you, they should be lining up an intervention.

I didn't accuse you of saying it

Newton's Third Law explains how rockets move in the vacuum of space. You don't accept that it does. You trash Newton here regularly and other principles.

It's clear you don't understand it, but rather than accept that, you've chosen to invent a conspiracy.

A conspiracy that would involve vast amounts of people keeping a secret for 70+ years. Which you support by pointing to RTE failing to keep a secret.

No. You can.

You can point yo the myriad of issues that make a conspiracy impossible. Like for instance how it would be impossible for millions of people across hundreds of countries and organisations over decades to keep a secret like how all space flight is fake.

You can support this by pointing to how RTE, a vastly smaller organisation operating on far lower stakes was unable to a far more mundane secret.

This is just one way to debunk conspiracies mind.

But even if they were, why would it matter?

Why would being a Satanist inhibit space travel?

There are loads of different ways of describing modern day Satanists but I don't think 'those who conspire to pretend humankind went to space' is one of their core tenants.

I'll once again pull out that red herring mentioned earlier. It's irrelent.

I think it stems from flat eartherism where Markus is getting a lot of his conspiracy from.

Flat Earthers believe that a Satanic conspiracy is behind it all.

Unfortunately Markus refuses to engage or clarify on these beliefs and ruins any discussion there.

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How many kept Epsteins island a secret ??

Until now .....

So again. We're being told that giant conspiracies can be kept under wraps and an example of this is a conspiracy not being kept under wraps...

As Syd points out this conspiracy was exposed ages ago. And it wasn't exposed by internet detectives piecing together clues from YouTube.

The previous examples of large conspiracies being kept hidden was the idea of 9/11 being faked with secret demolitions and the notion that all space flight was being faked.

Not sure that the Epstien thing really compares to those previous examples.

Autocratic nations restrict freedom of the press, in the same way they limit human rights.

That's very different from individuals who self brainwash that fantastical conspiracies exist and that free press outlets all over the world work together to "hide the truth" or project some narrative. You, for example, openly believe millions of scientists and journalists work together to perpetuate a grand conspiracy that satellites don't exist.

That's not what he said. Very strange tactic here.

You're applying a binary position to people they they don't hold then admonishing them for holding a simplistic view.

Also, you are a flat earther who believes that there is a global conspiracy to fake all space flight because you can't personally understand how spaceflight works. And yet you admonish people for simplistic views.

It is massively simplistic to believe that all journalists, scientists and governments are all part of a global conspiracy.

Real conspiracies do not work this way, and when they become very large the chances of them being exposed increase rapidly.

It would cross the minds of the millions of engineers, astronomers and physicists who would be aware of the fact that space flight is impossible.

Also, anyone who had an equal or greater amount of training in science than you (which I believe is basically nil.)

These millions of people around the world would be just as aware of the obvious deception you are.

You never address this issue, and simply ignore it.

Also, not sure who you think you are deceiving with this very strange tactic.

I am guessing the inference here is that "North Korea brainwashed" = possible to brainwash lots of people into believing some big hoax

Perhaps if we all lived in a complete information vacuum, with no rights/freedoms, no internet, no outside access, decades of horrendous education, with brutal penalties for leaving the country, force-fed alternative history for 75 years, then it's possible a significant amount of us could be brainwashed.

But we don't, so a point like that is completely moot.

It's further contradicted by the fact that 10's of thousands of North Koreas have taken immense risks to escape the country over the years, and we know from them that despite the brainwashing, many were aware of the facts.

To break this down:

1. You believe that all of human-powered space flight is faked
2. You also conveniently believe only a few people need "to know" to maintain a conspiracy of that magnitude

If someone can believe something so extreme, it follows they can validate it with extreme rationalisations.

In this case, your rationalisation is that to fake the entirety of satellite TV, GPS, thousands of space launches across multiple countries, all international space travel and landings and probes, thousands of hours for footage of it all, over 70 years, only requires a handful of people.

Which is nonsensical of course, like the theory itself.

More fakery, no doubt eh?