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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,268 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,454 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Loony Mike Lindell's pillow biz starting to sell off equipment, business is bad. #ETTD.https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4091547-mypillow-auctions-off-equipment-amid-massive-cancellation-ceo-lindell-says/



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,429 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,268 ✭✭✭Cody montana




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,554 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,292 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    I actually miss Seth Meyres' impression of him



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,429 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ray Epps taking his bite at the apple now too because Fox News put their foot in it.

    This regards FNC spewing conspiracy theories that he is a crisis actor for the FBI or some such nonsense.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 9,133 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Read about a political debate that occurred years ago, but cannot remember whom was debating each other hosted by the GOP. For some reason I am guessing that one debater was Clint Eastwood and the one not there was Obama.

    Obama failed to show, so Eastwood would frequently look at the empty chair of the absent Obama and ask a question, pause, and shrug. It was an amusing device that made the absent Obama look ridiculous. The empty chair routine was probably not original to Eastwood.

    Several media sources have suggested that Trump may be absent from the Fox hosted Republican primary debate, especially if he continues to prevail in the polls. If so, wouldn’t it be great to use the empty chair routine? 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,429 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It was this

    Hella cringe. Gran Torino was still alright.

    Speaking of the RNC, the 'freedom caucus' or MAGA caucus, might seem like the loud minority in the Republican tent but the rot is still at the top:

    WALLACE: When did you stop being an election denier?

    MCDANIEL: I think saying there were problems with 202020 [sic] is very real. I don’t think that’s election-denying. I mean, Chris, I am from Wayne County. We had a woman send a note saying, “I’m being told to backdate ballots.” We had to look into that. That’s deeply concerning. When you have friends who are poll-watching and get kicked out, that’s deeply concerning. We have every right to look at that. And I think everybody should have a little more concern about, listen–

    WALLACE: Wait a minute. Are you saying as the chair of the Republican Party that you still have questions as to whether or not Joe Biden was the duly elected president in 2020?

    MCDANIEL: Joe Biden’s the president–

    WALLACE: No, I didn’t ask you whether he’s the president.

    MCDANIEL: I don’t think that–I think there were lots of problems–

    WALLACE: Do you think he won the election?

    MCDANIEL: I think there were lots of problems with question 2020. Ultimately, he won the election.

    WALLACE: Pardon?

    MCDANIEL: Ultimately he won the election but there were lots of problems with the 2020 election, 100%.

    WALLACE: And that’s fair.

    MCDANIEL: But I don’t think he won it fair. I don’t. I’m not gonna say that.

    WALLACE: You’re saying you’re not sure – as the Republican Party chair – that he was the legitimately elected president?

    MCDANIEL: I’m saying there were lots of problems with the 2020 election and we need to fix it going forward.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,859 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Ha....turns out having your CEO & Main brand mascot spending most of his time, energy (and probably money) on very loud & very stupid conspiracy theories....is bad for business? Who'd have guessed that one? (Apart from the majority of the human race)

    Mike Lindell is equal parts tragic & hillarious to witiness. Tragic because you just knew that there wasn't a good end in store for him. He ran a somewhat successful pillow business, but I feel that he never raked in enough wealth to piss away on the various shenanigans he's been up to since 2020. Now that the business is falling from under him and I feel that's all he's really got. When MyPillow folds, he'll just be a broke unemployed loon in rural Minnesota. What's equally tragic is that Lindell was clearly doing a lot of this to ingratiate himself to Trump, who I sense barely even tolorates him. Trump must be aware that Mike's brand of stupid isn't a very good look for him...even if it is rabid support. Naturally, Trump will do nothing to help Lindell.

    Lindell has however been hilarious. Seeing him set up a "Cyber Symposium" to expose China's apparent interference in 2020 by way of showing off some digital "Packact Captures" that Mike had somehow obtained. Turns out said "Packet Captures" were just a random stream of ASCII characters designed to convince tech-challenged folk like Lindell himself that something mysterious was up...thus spycraft....thus....stolen election I guess? Lindell's "Symposium" mostly featured typical MAGA nitwits, there to moslty rant about the left. What few tech experts that were involved included one guy who successfully disproved the Packet Captures, winning a multi-million dollar cash prize that Lindell had put up as a challenge to disprove him....it is a prize that Lindell still refuses to pay out despite court orders.

    Lindell also pissed away a load of cash establishing his own amature TV Channel "Lindell TV" which is part of his "Frank Speech" conspiracy website...which in turn, he links alot with his MyPillow business, making things even more difficult for that business. He got booted from advertising on Fox News (his main channel for adverts) for trying to use his advert spots to promote his conspiracy website. I can't imagine there are a lot of places left that are willing to deal with Lindell while he is using his pillow factory as a loony political platform. So now we're here, and Lindell is about to lose his business.

    I feel that Mike Lindell is the perfect embodyment of the mentality of MAGA, but also of its folly. A dead-set refusal to accept reality, and a willingness to take up any fiction at all to prevent them for realising that they've put so much of themselves in support of a man who would never give them the time of day or do anything for them beyond enriching himself. And much like Lindell, many will bleed themselves of cash for their chosen idol until eventually they have nothing, and are left to be forgotten by Trump.....who never cared in the first place.

    The story of Mike Lindell should serve as a warning to anyone that blind faith can sometimes lead a person to dead ends.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,421 ✭✭✭✭everlast75




  • Registered Users Posts: 60,556 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    He is just doing that to keep his cover as an FBI undercover agent.

    What a better way to prove to the right wing that he is one of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    The thing about Lindell is that he's clearly not a mentally stable person. He has a nervous, directionless energy about him, like a puppy with ADHD. He himself has admitted to having problems with cocaine, crack and gambling and he only got clean through becoming an Evangelical Christian.

    Addicts are addicts for some reason. Deep down, they're unhappy and aren't dealing with it. I've no statistical/scientific proof, merely anecdotes, but taking all that unhappiness and turning it into unquestioning faith in a higher power doesn't seem to be the healthiest way of dealing with those problems. Sure, he's stopped taking drugs but it's just re-directing energy; it's not sitting down and addressing the reasons why. Just because you can abstain from one addiction, doesn't mean the traits disappear. It is perfectly possible that he got 'addicted' to making money and that's why he's taking it to extremes while chasing money.

    I think he's an extremely vulnerable person. He got taken in by whatever Trump was offering and now he's being tossed aside. I hope for his sake he's fully prepared to deal with it when he finds himself up a creek without a paddle.

    There are others who are clearly chancers just jumping on a bandwagon or like owning the libs but Lindell gives me a different vibe. A lot of these people are making money out of MAGA followers (Trump being the best example) yet Lindell seems to be throwing everything away as he pursues the MAGA dream. It's car crash TV with him.

    I can't bring myself to feel sorry for him but it is painful to see.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,914 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Like you say , Lindell has a history of addiction and Trump is just his latest addiction.

    I do have an element of sympathy for Lindell , well maybe not sympathy but I do feel like he is a victim to an extent in this.

    There are lots of people like him in the Trump universe who have lost a lot as a result of following Trump, whether that is money, family or friends.

    Lindell well and truly jumped the shark , but so many Trump voters just got shafted by him when all they wanted was someone to pay attention to them.

    Trump callously exploited (and continues to exploit) a whole swathe of the US population - people who felt lost and disenfranchised by the "elite" and who felt like they weren't being listened to.

    They wanted decent jobs and homes and a bit of security and to feel seen and respected to some extent.

    Trumps "gift" was to be able to identify that and exploit these vulnerable people for his own benefit - He lied to them and conned them into thinking that he would do something for them and that he cared about them.

    All he cared about and all he has ever cared about is himself - He saw them as tools to make money and to gain power and influence for himself.

    Most Trump voters are the subjugated ones in a highly abusive relationship and most of them can't even see it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,554 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't disagree but these people have been doing this to themselves by constantly voting Republican. For example, I know a nurse who works in an old folks home in Ohio. They avidly watch Fox News and regularly rage against Socialism despite being totally and utterly dependent on the state.

    We had something similar in the UK. People voted for the neoliberal Conservative party who destroyed heavy industry and manufacturing in the UK. They then voted for Brexit which inevitably entails more globalisation, not less and then once again for the Tories despite all of their Brexit promises having been lies.

    A lot of these people were vulnerable but a lot also voted on a cultural basis which is something of a euphemism for hurting the other guy more. If you're more concerned about stopping critical race theory and abortion than your own livelihood then you're just begging to get f*cked.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Completely agree, there is a whole swathe of society in the US and the UK that have been gas-lighted by the GOP/Tories for decades and told that "Socialism" is the source of all their problems and that voting for "traditional values" was the only pathway to safety.

    They are the battered wife telling everyone that their husband really does love them but he just gets angry sometimes..

    Don't get me wrong , there is also a chunk of them that are just horrible people that are thrilled to have their objectionable opinions made more "mainstream" by someone like Trump but a very sizeable section are just gas-lit and lied to.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,554 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That's all true. I suppose it depends on whether you take the "It's brainwashing" or "They're racist" lines. Both can be simultaneously true and neither can be true depending on which sub-demographic you're talking about. Ultimately, we're responsible for our own actions. A cousin in London said he'd vote for UKIP because he found Nigel Farage amusing. I spent hours and hours that year familiarising myself with British politics for my first vote. Hardly seems fair but that's democracy for you.

    The flaw in all of this is that democracy always returns the government that people deserve. You can't vote to strip down the state for corrupt billionaires and then moan about it being too weak to help you when covid hits. Silly me, much of the the GOP thinks that covid was a hoax and that the vaccine was a ploy by far left activist Bill Gates to put chips in people. You can't elect an anti-vaxxer like Trump and then be surprised that hundreds of thousands of Americans indulged in his nonsense and died as a result.

    It's like a car. I can't drive so I don't. If I tried, I'd like crash and kill someone. The problem is that far too many people think they're experts and elect appalling people as a result. Hilary Clinton really nailed it with her "basket of deplorables" remark.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There's often times I feel that one should be subjected to an IQ test before they're allowed to cast a vote.

    Voting for someone because you get a kick out of them should be a barrier to voting at all. But this is a genuine problem with a lot of Trumptards in the US and, so called, "conservative" voters in Britain. They "protest" vote against something, far too often, without knowing really what that something actually is and all the while they're really voting against their own best interests in many ways, or they vote based on a single immediate thing without understanding the wider ramifications. Brexit being the perfect example of that particular folly.

    But "their guy" is amusing to them and he says all the things that they want to hear, while he goes about enriching the people that wouldn't even piss on that type of voter if they were on fire.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The "protest" vote concept exists everywhere.

    How many people will vote for the "other" side in an Election because they are unhappy with the incumbent without actually taking any time to investigate if those others will actually be better or even if they align with their views??

    The problem is a complete unwillingness of most people to invest any time into thinking about the actual impact and importance of their vote.

    It's why populists exist.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,554 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I know what you mean. I like the idea of making every voter submit a coherent, 250-word long explanation of their voting logic to a perfectly impartial AI to qualify to vote. Obviously, such a thing is fantasy but it would add a degree of gravity to casting a ballot.

    It can be intensely frustrating. A Bulgarian colleague and former friend at work speaks 6 languages including Russian and German. She was defending populism to me one day because it was popular, hence "populism". She also refused to wear a mask in 2020.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Oh I know. You can add France and Hungary to the list, etc.

    But in recent times the overt damage has been done in the US and Britain because of people protest voting, without really knowing what it is they're protesting against. And I'd wager a significant amount of Brexit voters woke up the next day and regretted putting their mark on that particular paper. There's, more than likely, an even larger figure today that have come to realise what a fuck up that was.

    At least in the US the Trump mistake was rectified. But that dangerous piece of shit still enjoys widespread support and could be in with a shout again because something, something...wOkE, cOmMuNiSM, sOcIaLiStS.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Is Trump an anti-vaxer? I think he still tries to claim credit for the vaccine.

    Anyway, let’s wait to see how much support RFK gets. Democrats have a lot of their own issues.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,429 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I believe he is vaccinated. I don't think he is antivax but its complicated imho; he seemed to give a lot fewer **** about covid when he found out it was killing minorities at a higher rate than it was killing whites for example. And his entire approach to emergency management was a disaster eg 'everyone should wear a mask, I don't think I will be wearing them though' etc.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,454 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Trump isn't "anti-vax" , but he will point blank to refuse to call out anti-vaxxers because they might vote for him so he weasel words his way around the issue.

    Because he is a man utterly without anything resembling a moral code , he only views people through the lens of whether they like/support him or not.

    And if they support him , there is nothing they could do to make him call them out for their actions or beliefs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,716 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Younger than Joe Biden. Still over the age of retirement.

    RFK Jr. not really providing a vigorous and youthful alternative, when I think about it.

    I mean, people might say that at least he's not senile. Debates over Biden's actual senility notwithstanding, it's pretty depressing if that's the bar.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,429 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,554 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Trump was a serious anti-vaxxer until he got Covid and received top of the line treatment in the country with the most expensive healthcare for $750. He probably did claim credit for the vaccine but, ironically, he'd spread so much anti-vaxx crap that the MAGA master race opted not to get it.

    Anti-vaccination profiles on Twitter tend to be more engaged in discussions and rely on a more interconnected social network compared to their pro-vaccination counterparts, according to new research published in PLOS One. The study also indicates that former President Donald Trump was one of the key nodes in the anti-vaccination network.

    We identify former US President Donald Trump as the main influencer in the anti-vaccination web,” the researchers wrote in their study.

    Despite not making overt anti-vaccination statements as president, Trump had published dozens of tweets linking vaccinations with autism in the past, such as one in 2014 that read: “Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn’t feel good and changes – AUTISM. Many such cases!” Research has found that Americans who voted for Trump in 2016 were particularly prone to anti-vaccination attitudes and that these attitudes were exacerbated by his tweets.


    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Registered Users Posts: 33 notnattynate


    Despite not making overt anti-vaccination statements as president, Trump had published dozens of tweets linking vaccinations with autism in the past, such as one in 2014

    I trust you understand the problem with this statement.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,967 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    See in 2014 claiming they would give your kids autism was the peak of antivax, 2020 changed all that and now the autism argument is kind of the low end of anti Vax insanity.



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