What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

Oh I know. You can add France and Hungary to the list, etc.

But in recent times the overt damage has been done in the US and Britain because of people protest voting, without really knowing what it is they're protesting against. And I'd wager a significant amount of Brexit voters woke up the next day and regretted putting their mark on that particular paper. There's, more than likely, an even larger figure today that have come to realise what a fuck up that was.

At least in the US the Trump mistake was rectified. But that dangerous piece of shit still enjoys widespread support and could be in with a shout again because something, something...wOkE, cOmMuNiSM, sOcIaLiStS.

I believe he is vaccinated. I don't think he is antivax but its complicated imho; he seemed to give a lot fewer **** about covid when he found out it was killing minorities at a higher rate than it was killing whites for example. And his entire approach to emergency management was a disaster eg 'everyone should wear a mask, I don't think I will be wearing them though' etc.

Younger than Joe Biden. Still over the age of retirement.

RFK Jr. not really providing a vigorous and youthful alternative, when I think about it.

I mean, people might say that at least he's not senile. Debates over Biden's actual senility notwithstanding, it's pretty depressing if that's the bar.

See in 2014 claiming they would give your kids autism was the peak of antivax, 2020 changed all that and now the autism argument is kind of the low end of anti Vax insanity.

RFK is an interesting phenomena,

Where is his support coming from exactly?

One would think anti vaccine sentiments were for those on the right side of the aisle but it seems a sizeable portion of left leaning citizens were anti vaccine or have become anti vaccine since the pandemic?

Now we are out the far side of COVID, is there left leaning citizens looking back in retrospect at COVID alot differently than they did at the time it was evolving in 20/21?

RFK's growing popularity shows if nothing else Biden's Growing unpopularity and it creates a conundrum for the Democrats, Biden who started his presidency polling at in late 50 percents is now polling at 40%. Trump is also polling at 40% I believe according to FiveThirtyEight.

Can the Democrats rely solely on people voting against trump being enough in November 2024?

Will biden Garner 81 million votes again? Will Afghanistan withdrawal, inflation, vaccine mandates, the never ending mumbling and tumbling lose him votes?

Wether those votes will go to trump in big numbers is very unlikely in my opinion but will the numbers show up for Joe again is the question? If nothing else at least trump knows his base will show up and represent not because they hate the other guy but because they love their guy. Biden can not rely on that same core vote he got in 2020 the same way Trump can.

Gavin (American psycho) Newsom is making some noise and gaining traction again after a horrendous few years as governor of California and maybe the answer to the Democrats prayers come 2024.

Either way I am genuinely looking forward to the campaign trail as toxic and divisive as it will be,I think it's the most important US election this century at the very least, what direction is America going to choose to set it's sails?

Irrespective of who wins let's hope somehow the country can come together and show the world cultural healing is possible.

@notnattynate

Firstly, the pendulum nature of American politics seems to be such that if they elected God as president, his/her favourability polling across the board would dip below 50 percent at the midterm point.

Secondly, their relevance to actual voting intention doesn't seem to amount to much as Donald Trump was hit with low poll numbers toward the end of his presidency and somehow got TEN MILLION more votes than he did the previous time. There was similar fretting for Obama in 2010 when his polling numbers were in the low 40s (44 percent, I believe), yet he ended up beating Mitt Romney pretty handily two years later, despite Mitt Romney actually being a basically normal person, albeit an odious neo-con.

Every US president gets the blame for every wrong that's ongoing in their country, whether their contribution to those wrongs is real or imagined, but how this translates to actual voting intention seems quite opaque and is a science that still seems to elude pollsters.

Ultimately, Joe Biden isn't that inspiring a choice for president at all, and in another timeline he's probably enjoying a well-earned retirement, but the thing is that his current main rival for the job is worse in every single way, so unseating him is far from a foregone conclusion.

He talks out of both sides of his mouth on vaccines. Wants it himself. Wants to take credit for the rollout. Probably didnt expect the level of anti vax in republican ranks so dog whistles to them. I dont think he ever once challenged an anti vaxxer. But he tried to undermine Fauci and the CDC.

I will be keeping a keen eye on the primary in the granite state as I'm sure you will.

Circa 50% of Democrats don't even want Joe Biden to run again, RFK Jr is the thorn now growing in the blue side of Washington reminding them of Joe Bidens unpopularity.

Trumps weaknesses as a Candidate are what the Democrat establishment are hanging their hopes on for a second presidential election in a row which is a not just a daring move in itself it also exposes the weakness of their own position.

The 2024 election will be a lot closer than 2020 in my opinion.

Trump sticks a knife in any of Trump Jr's dreams of running for POTUS after this all blows over in his late 70s:

Kushner has been before the Grand Jury for Jan 6

Reportedly the top ask was regarding Trump's mens rea: did Trump know, and when did he know, he in fact legitimately lost the election

Trump is only a mere symptom of the decay, dysfunction and unchecked corruption in American democracy.

Washington establishment are doing everything they can to destroy Trump, when the irony is they are the ones who created the Trump machine.