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World's hottest day since records began

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Basing your world view on a cheap 90's SI-FI drama. Impressive perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia



    I think the government needs to make it easier to draw down these grants.

    Follow the Italian model, of offering greater than 100% grants for these upgrades but also announce that they're withdrawing all of the fuel subsidies for any homeowner who doesn't participate.

    I wouldn't have any objection to offering grants to landlords to do these upgrades too, under the condition that we then require that all rental properties are at B3 or higher (with limited exceptions for listed buildings)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Why should landlords who are already making out like bandits get even more subsidies?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Depends on the Landlords. Vulture fund landlords might be making out like bandits, but private landlords who are shouldering debts are selling out of the sector in droves because they are losing money hand over fist (almost all properties coming to the market at the moment are ex-rentals). So maybe a bit of discrimination regarding which type of landlord gets the grants might be in order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Agree, we are not tackling it in food faith and I don't know if we will because tackling the waste and trying to encourage longevity of product will impact the economy, which everyone knows, rules the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,819 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    You think nature restoration in Ireland is a bad thing because Brazil and Argentina? Ireland has pretty much zero natural habitat, we are the worst in class in Europe, and you're giving out about some land being left to the birds and bees and butterflies. This is what we're up against, we don't deserve this planet.

    Oh and how are Irish farmers making all this organic stuff if they're importing millions of tonnes of animal feed every year, of which about 50% is genetically modified, from places like Brazil and Argentina? We can't even grow enough food to feed our own farm animals and you want us to increase production.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    I will readily agree that my emissions are more than they should be, as in, more than is sustainable for everyone to have and keep the planet safe. However, even if I could go to a state of having the same emissions as someone from China, it will have so little impact on climate change I may as well do nothing. If all of Ireland did it, maybe it would nudge the needle, but we would need to find a whole new set of industry as very few people would want to live that kind of lifestyle having experienced what we currently have, and would emigrate.

    Without international agreement on how to tackle the problem there isn't a way out that I can see. We will continuously pump ghg into the air, use more and more water than current levels and continue cutting down forests.

    What does shouldering the burden mean to you and how do we implement it on a large scale so that it has a meaningful impact?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And that attitude is why everyone is trying to pass the buck. The world is made up of individuals and every individual plays their part and should take responsibility. Part of that responsibility should be to support the efforts our government makes to cut national and European wide emissions. The COP process is the international agreement and we signed up to play our global part in emissions reductions along with all the other signatories.


    Personally I am about to renovate a house which will cut my emissions by at least a third, the choice to move will allow me to eliminate one car from the household - so I expect to reduce household emission by nearly half. Thats after a lifetime of actively managing my energy use for both environmental and financial reasons. The money I spend now will save me personally a fortune over the remainder of my life. Where there's a will there's a way as they say.


    Most of the big changes have to be made on a national level because they effect the future energy supply and spatial planning of the state - and for the first time in the states history they seem to be taking this part of the equation somewhat seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,288 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    I have to be honest I didn’t expect this sort of realism coming from yourself- I have to applaud you. (I’m being honest hear and not taking the piss)

    Climate change wether man made/ natural or a mixture of both is coming.

    We should absolutely be preparing and becoming fully self sufficient



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,864 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Ireland is not going to solve any problems. Really. We can barely run public services for a population the size of Barcelona. The only thing that is keeping society "cohesive" is full of employment based on huge consumption of stuff we really don't need and redirection of skills and labour into careers that will be replaced by AI. Leo will be ok as he'll be doing TED talks about how he was so oppressed growing up on Ireland. 😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    So their tenants don't have to spend all their (and tax payers) money buying fossil fuels to keep warm in winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    We, as part of the EU, cut our emissions according to our commitments and then we can enforce those binding commitments onto our trading partners. International agreements cannot work when every party wants to be the free rider while accusing everyone else of being free riders too.

    It's not like it's all downside. There will be significant economic benefits in the long run from harassing renewable energy in a 21st century energy grid fit for purpose, while the dinosaurs are stuck playing catch-up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The Rowan Atkinson article was heavily rebuked after his facts were checked, but this one point is missing the picture. Not everyone can afford a new car. We need the people and fleet managers who do purchase new vehicles to choose BEV now, so in 5 to 10 years time there will be a second hand market for when all the older ICE cars get retired. Anyone buying a brand new ICE today, is committing to another 10-20 years of fossil fuel emissions, or the car will end up bring scrapped early this representing an even worse use of scarce resources.

    The state's role should be to actively incentivise or require the rollout of charging infrastructure. Why isn't every petrol station obliged to have at least 1 BEV charging point? Most of them already have 3 phase power on site, it would be trivial to install some charging points

    (The fact that they're mostly owned by fossil fuel companies or under contract with fossil fuel companies might be a clue as to the reason why)

    Every shopping centre should have to have at least x% of parking spaces devoted to charging BEVs. Same with every employer above a certain size who offers free parking to employees, etc

    Once we get a critical mass of infrastructure in place, then ICE cars will not be able to compete



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    How much would your ESB bill have been if those wind farms weren't there? Electricity prices would undoubtedly have been more expensive over the past few years if we relied even more on gas than we already did



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭Jizique


    I know from talking to US petrol station owners (big chains) that those who invested in chargers even in places with high EV penetration have been disappointed by the returns as it appears the owners prefer to charge at home - not sure why it would be different here, not everyone (it seems) wants to hang around a gas station when they can charge overnight at home



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭Jizique


    So the govt gives an upgrade in value of perhaps 20% of the property, with no return? With no guarantee of no rent increase? Taxpayer the bigger fool again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    By far the vast majority of people will always prefer to charge at home, but as the take-up of BEVs increases, there will be more and more people who need to be able to top up their car every now and then. A 10 minute charging session while someone pops into the shop buys coffee, a sandwich and an ice cream and the shop owner is turning a decent profit



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭Jizique


    That is what they thought eqhich is why they put in the investment but it has not worked out as expected, despite being in affluent areas with high (for the US) EV penetration



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    There was a follow-up article which criticised a few things for sure, but it didn't take away from that point that the current model of buying new cars is unsustainable.

    Yep, not everyone can afford a new car - but that doesn't mean we need people out there buying a car every three years. As Atkinson said, cars these days should be perfectly able to last 25-30 years (let's leave aside the need at the moment to start switching to electric), but the average age of a car in Ireland is about 8.5 years. So it would be a carbon benefit to ban PCP and discourage people buying new cars every three years, but of course it won't happen because there's no money to be made. Instead, we'll look to lock people into buying electric cars every three years despite the fact this is actually less carbon efficient.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,288 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    How much will they be when private wind generation corporations own our energy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Depends on what kinds of regulatory processes we have. With renewables there are so many opportunities for micro generation, community wind and solar projects, domestic PV and storage etc, were unlikely to be at the mercy of the kinds of plutocrats and oligopolies we are victims of now via OPEC



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's a market which is exactly what we have now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,288 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Doubt it tbh.

    These companies are in the game to make profit for shareholders at the expense of customers, any other viewpoint on that is very naive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,288 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It means that a renewables dominated market will function much the same as they do now. There was a statement of paranoia about those industries which is what I responded to. Do you imagine we currently operate on a different basis ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    So more food should be produced in South America and less produced in Ireland ?

    You are OK with that ?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    For what it's worth, Ireland produces almost no food for domestic consumption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,288 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Which is why we have expensive electricity now. (Gas spiked prices alright but wind won’t make things cheaper)

    If we had state owned generation the price would be cheaper- but we can’t due to EU competition regulations- so what ya gonna do!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    You didn’t answer my question just trotted out the usual Green BS .Are you actually saying that no meat or dairy produced here is for the domestic market ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    An honest fair play to you for your efforts. Not everyone is in a position to move. We have insulated the crap out of the house, installed solar panels and try to minimize emissions where we can. However, I don't see any way of dropping my emissions by a factor of 10x or 20x to reach those from China or India. I am still going to heat the house in the winter, I am still going to shower after exercise (mostly with solar heated water and turning off the water when washing), my job requires a computer and lighting my work area, either at home or in the office for large parts of the year. Without finding a plot of land with an a rated house where we can grow our own fire wood and food, (which I couldn't afford and don't have the skills to do)I don't see how those emissions are going to drop.

    I support the state where they are actually doing something sensible. They should be taxing new goods, non essential, highly to encourage reuse and repair. They should be subsidizing companies and schools to install showers, drying areas, and safe, weather protected bike shelters.

    In terms of support, we have changed how we heat the house to use lower carbon fuels where possible. We try to use active travel for short distances where possible (there is no place to leave bikes at the school where they won't be soaked, and not enough space to hang wet clothes to dry during school hours).

    Again, my issue is not being green or trying to be green or walking to the shop instead of driving, or wearing an extra layer in winter to reduce heating related emissions. My issue is probably quite doomsday ish but given the current effects we are seeing, is there anything we can do, as individuals or a small country that will halt climate change given the level of wasted emissions from war, private jets, private yachts, etc, or are we just peeing into the wind?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,288 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    Absolutely, we can't go around expecting everyone else to cut emissions when Eire Inc doesn't. And yes, there should be economic benefits from having renewable energy. However, as the dinosaurs are playing catch up they are still causing a lot of ghgs, increasing climate change, causing more droughts and floods and human migration to more stable locations, food shortages , etc.

    If the expectation that we are near a tipping point is correct, how do we stop going over it and keep the world safe for future generations?


    As I reply to these comments I find myself struggling with the hope that people here have and hoping the changes we make will make an impact. However I don't see how we can avoid climate disaster when some of the biggest polluters don't always see fossil fuels as an issue, and it will be such a long time before we have sufficient renewables and storage in place to replace fossil fuels that we will be well past the tipping point of irreversible climate change.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I tend to agree with you on almost all points, but whats the alternative - Hedonistic despair ?

    We do what we can and hope that if everyone pulls their weight we have a fighting chance. I am overall pessimistic but will go down fighting.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Most is for export. I would have a lot more sympathy with Irish farmers if they were producing for domestic markets. As it is they are some of the worst environmental polluters and destroyers and mostly for foreign earnings which actually contribute diddly squat to the balance sheet. So we destroy our environment for virtually nothing.

    The problems are systemic, and yes I do think we should produce as much of our own food as we can - but giving over half of our land to beef and dairy isn't going to deliver that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,819 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Given that crop failures are becoming more and more common, and megadrought in Spain where most of our veg comes from, we really should have schemes in place to become more self sufficient when it comes to food.

    Always amazes me that 55% of all Irish fruit and veg come from the fields up the road from me in North County Dublin.

    Shows how little range we have countrywide in the foods we produce.

    We're screwed if crop failures become more and more common. Even our farmed animals are dependent on imported food.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,001 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    I was hoping someone would have a realistic projection that would show that our efforts aren't futile.

    At the very least if we keep doing what we can to reduce emissions and be as green as feasible, we can look our future generations in the eye and say we tried.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    I don't think there's any chart at present that shows our efforts are anything other than futile.

    The reality is we've tried very little at the moment. A couple of quick wins, lots of nice ads, but we're still stuck in a consumer economy which has to grow each year, a population that has to grow each year (even as that means flying people in from halfway around the world), huge building projects, etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    What parallel world do you live in ? It must be fun



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭White Clover


    That was a fairly green post above. Excuse the pun!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    thos is for MT and others who think we can just allow this to take its course without too much worry

    Positive feedback loops are already emerging.

    We have a brief window of opportunity to stop these from becoming self reinforcing cascades that will mean humans can no longer prevent runaway climate change

    We don't know what the thresholds are, we only know that the hotter we allow it to get, the bigger the chance that we will exceed them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    That's more to do with the soil type in north Dublin

    A lot of farmland isn't suitable for veg or fruit growing in Ireland



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    80% loss of biodiversity since the 1980's is what we should really be focusing on. This is why the recent intensification of Irish agriculture for foreign earnings is probably one of the worst things to happen in the last century. This all happened after it was flagged up as a crisis by the EU and why we now have to try to backtrack with the Draconian Nature restoration Bill which will force us to undo some of the damage.

    The sixth great extinction is happening right now and gathering pace. It's also not happening somewhere else - it's happening harder and faster right here on our doorstep.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,364 ✭✭✭arctictree


    All the media reports about the heatwave in Europe and its wet and cold here! Free air con!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭monseiur


    You obviously are a typical introspective 'green' who can't see beyond his/her own nose. I suggest that you take off the blinkers for a period and see for yourself what's really happening in the big world out there - it may be news to you & your ilk that Ireland is a tiny, almost to the point of being invisible, part of planet earth.

    The current NATO / Putin war in east Europe has produced more carbon emissions to date than Ireland has produced in the last 4 years and the war will last for years. Munitions factories in the US and elsewhere which were on short time until the war are now working around the clock producing billions of $ worth of armaments including cluster bombs and in the process emitting millions of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere. In the meantime sad folk like you are crying into their soy or coconut milk at the thought of Irish farmers producing almost organic products to feed the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,819 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    you've just gone off ranting there and not responding to what I actually said. more of an oat milk person myself by the way, don't like soya or coconut. the war in ukraine doesn't really matter to the sorry state our environment is in in ireland.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Its just your typical whataboutarry from our monseiur.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,288 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,819 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    It's hot in Southern Europe every summer ffs. Same way Scandinavian countries are guaranteed to be cold in the winter. Climate change is the biggest lie ever told like Covid it is an excuse for more government overreach into our lives. Maybe some people don't like driving electric cars, paying more taxes or eating ze bugs.



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