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World's hottest day since records began

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    You’d be wrong then! 🙂

    It’s juice. Just juice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    This is a bit of a strange response.

    How does the Enviromental impact of the war in Ukraine not really matter to Irelands environment?

    It’s not like we are in a sealed chamber unaffected by what goes on outside! Of course it matters!



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    i was responding to him giving out about land being left to the "birds, bees and butterflies" in ireland, as if trying to help nature on this island is some woke nonsense. the environment is in a bad way in ireland and nature needs our help.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭Shoog


    To use it as an excuse to do nothing is the problem here.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    well it's colloquially known as oat milk, everyone calls it that, much to the ire of farmers



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dmakc


    Log off. Go outside and get some fresh air. Christ



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,355 ✭✭✭✭Rikand




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Such is the level of ignorance of the real and pressing crises we face. All's grand - move along people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Nope not everyone.

    Id say its a minority tbh- anyway no point crying over spoilt juice 😂



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Just because it is white in colour, it is not milk



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I've never heard anyone ask for an oat juice latte. They all say milk, deal with it!



  • Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭tobesure


    Why do people draw a line in the sand at one moment in time and think this is the standard the world should be at forever?

    Imagine being alive during the time of Pangea. And seeing the continent break up? We'd probably be telling ourselves we can't let this happen etc.

    I was watching RTE news a few months ago and there was a segment complaining about coastal erosion claiming climate change is to blame. Eh helloooo, look at google maps, look at the west coast of Ireland compared to the east coast. Erosion has happened over millions of years.

    You have constant energy in the form of the sun blasting down on half the earth 24 hours a day. Where do you think that heat goes? You think ice caps will stay ice caps forever?

    Once people wake up and realise that humans, even in a perfect case scenario, will die out as a species, at latest when the sun dies out.

    That means at some stage of the earths life, human population is going to start falling and falling and falling.

    What do you want to do? Prolong it? Have the population of 10bn before people start dying? What's the point of living in hardship when the end result is the same anyways?

    May as well just create a giant space ship and block out suns rays for hours a day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭Shoog


    A very philosophical analysis - but thats not the scenario we are in.

    We as humans have demonstrably caused the recent climate shift and it will kill many people as a consequence (it is already killing 10x of thousands a year). We have opportunities to avoid the worst outcomes if we act appropriately now. To do anything else is to actively choose as a species to commit suicide. I personally think thats immoral.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭bluedex


    Nothing, I don't demand a bigger share.

    I've no idea, do you?

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭monseiur


    What you regard as ignorance is what the rest of us call 'realism'



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭Jizique




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭compsys


    Like most climate sceptics you fail to mention or indeed realise the most important thing: SPEED.

    Yes; the Earth has gone through all sorts of changes before. But they've happened over tens of MILLIONS of years. Sometimes BILLIONS.

    Not three decades.

    The speed that the Earth is warming is not giving humans - and more importantly animals - time to evolve and adapt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,409 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia




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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    That may not be true at all.

    The climate can and has changed rapidly over very short time scales measured in decades:

    One of the most surprising findings was that the shifts from cold stadials to the warm interstadial intervals occurred in a matter of decades

    One researcher has suggested the onset of the last glaciation period took only months.

    Previous evidence from Greenland ice samples had suggested this abrupt shift in climate happened over the span of a decade or so. Now researchers say it surprisingly may have taken place over the course of a few months, or a year or two at most




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Is this to do with fresh water upsetting the salination of the sea from the ice caps melting and thus turning off the movement of warm waters to northern hemisphere countries?

    I mentioned this before and I think it may have been @Pa ElGrande (apologies if it wasn’t Pa!) or another poster who said that can’t happen and gave a pretty good explanation as to why.

    Anyway imo climate change is happening wether you believe it’s man made, natural, or a mixture it doesn’t really matter- as it’s happening.

    What I’d love to know and I keep asking but the green acolytes can’t tell me- is what should Irish citizens and the government be doing to PREPARE for the effects of climate change as opposed to trying to stop/ reduce its effects (how arrogant are they thinking we can stop a planets response/climate shifts 😂)

    So again I ask what should we be doing?- will Ireland get:

    colder?

    warmer?

    wetter?

    dryer?

    mixture of these depending on seasons?

    Should citizens ensure they have clothing and stores of fuel in winter to combat temps of -20C?

    Should citizens ensure they have clothing and stores of water and food in summer to combat temps +50C?

    A bit of advice/ forecasting would be helpful!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭Shoog


    As recent events should demonstrate the one certainty about climate change is an increase in uncertainty. Both the massive heatwaves we have been so lucky to avoid and the beast from the east are consequences of climate change. Extreme events become common and each catastrophic event bleeds away our ability to respond and prepare for the next.

    So your guess is as good as the next man's regarding how to prepare. You will see more massive freezes and more massive heatwaves, you will see floods which will swamp away whole communities and render tranches of the country uninsurable. Welcome to your future.

    One thing Is certain, insulation will help you cope with the heat and the cold so that's probably the best place to start.

    The study of complex systems should be informative. Complex systems have steady states which they hold to until you pump in enough change to push them into a new steady state. This is why tipping points are the most important part of climate study. As yet we have not breached any of the main identified tipping points but we are close on permafrost and methane catastrophy. Expect a very rapid and sudden change to the prevailing climate norm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,918 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Exxon disputed climate findings for years. Its scientists knew better.

    Projections created internally by ExxonMobil starting in the late 1970s on the impact of fossil fuels on climate change were very accurate, even surpassing those of some academic and governmental scientists, according to an analysis published Thursday in Science by a team of Harvard-led researchers. Despite those forecasts, team leaders say, the multinational energy giant continued to sow doubt about the gathering crisis.

    In “Assessing ExxonMobil’s Global Warming Projections,” researchers from Harvard and the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research show for the first time the accuracy of previously unreported forecasts created by company scientists from 1977 through 2003. The Harvard team discovered that Exxon researchers created a series of remarkably reliable models and analyses projecting global warming from carbon dioxide emissions over the coming decades. Specifically, Exxon projected that fossil fuel emissions would lead to 0.20 degrees Celsius of global warming per decade, with a margin of error of 0.04 degrees — a trend that has been proven largely accurate.

    “This paper is the first ever systematic assessment of a fossil fuel company’s climate projections, the first time we’ve been able to put a number on what they knew,” said Geoffrey Supran, lead author and former research fellow in the History of Science at Harvard. “What we found is that between 1977 and 2003, excellent scientists within Exxon modeled and predicted global warming with, frankly, shocking skill and accuracy only for the company to then spend the next couple of decades denying that very climate science.” Full story below




  • Registered Users Posts: 22,409 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    That's a short term, regional catastophic event.

    We're talking about long term global climate change

    Climate change can trigger such catastophic events btw. And this is one of the biggest fears I have. The more we allow the atmosphere to become polluted with man made emissions, the more likely we are to see these abrupt events occuring. Mass die offs of corals, the sudden collapse of the Amazon rainforest, the collapse of the thwaites glacier, the shut down of the AMOC, mass release of methane from the Arctic Ocean and permafrost......

    These are all more likely to happen the more we delay action on climate change. It's an emergency that requires immediate global action.

    If we can't get everyone to act, we need to get a critical mass of countries to unite to at least give us a fighting chance



  • Registered Users Posts: 22,409 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Those executives who ordered the science to be buried are sociopaths who have the needless premature deaths of millions of people on their heads



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭Shoog


    There should be manslaughter charges against every one of those oil company executives. The rest of their life in jail is to good for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Right but the only way to stop this is to stop consumerism- ya know that right?

    That ain’t gonna happen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    So your saying we can’t really meaningfully prepare for what’s coming and we don’t really know what’s coming but we should all feel really guilty about consuming meat and partaking in any activity that might be generating CO2 such as driving to work to contribute to the economic betterment of the countries economy………is that correct?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭Shoog


    100% closed loop recycling. Nothing should be made without it been 100% recyclable and make it the law. It would certainly help along the path to sustainability



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