Dummies on big money

jobs for the boys

at a certain level its networking that gets you jobs

RTE would be worse than most place for it, even the new guy in is really the old guy 😁

no one questions it

Most C Suite level people I have worked with/for are very far from dumdums. Nearly all are very hard working and very fcuking ruthless.

Many give the appearance of not doing much but they are usually excellent delegators.

any company ive worked in the top brass are fairly sharp,switched on and on top of their jobs...rte i think are the exception

agreed. if they earn more money than you, then theryre not dummies, unless, you the OP are very much a dummy,.

....we tend to respond well to more narcissistic personalities, we tend to overlook major short comings, potential red flags etc etc, for whatever reasons, many high level, high paid people would posse such traits, then when we eventually question them, they turn on another narcissistic trait, the denial of responsibility, and round and round we go.....

...oh and theres plenty of evidence in many professions of such behaviors, particularly those that provide great supply for such individuals....

...will it change.....probably not!

They're not really dumdums though, they likely have above average but not exceptional intelligence. They are skilled at politicking, profile raising and manipulation. Life isn't a meritocracy and having reasonable intelligence and a hardneck is a good combination for success. Greed and hubris can trip them up though.

Look at Oireachtas committee meetings and corporate meetings generally -people are not straight with each other, they ask questions that they already know the answer to to catch out others or bounce them into doing something. How many IQ 145+ people, with autistic traits do well in such an environment? Even in academia where one would think that the most academically gifted would thrive, politics and competition for scare resources (grants/funding) sees to it that this often doesn't happen.

Out of my class in college, one of the individuals who has done the best out of all of us (would be on well into 6 figures) had mediocre ability and was an arsehole. Was constantly up the lecturers' arses looking for exam hints, still didn't do great in his exams in the end. Still got a job before anyone else. Then he was involved in several controversies which resulted in him "leaving" various jobs - yet this doesn't appear to have impacted his career at all.

what are you trying to say and what qualifications do you need

whats a midwit?

Most have some business background for sure, but what is this point?

getting a pass in some business degree isn't exactly hard

look at these guys

what business is this, because everyone knows absolute stinkers in all businesses, they also know some good ones

Not making excuses for anyone in RTE, but put anyone in the pressurised surroundings of an Oireachtas committee, with questions being fired at them on a very messy set of issues and limited opportunities to give proper replies, and they will rarely come well out of it. The great majority of people in the country are not in jobs where their performance is publicly scrutinised in front of politicians, the media and the public. It's worth asking yourself "how would I do in that situation?" The honest answer is probably "not as well as I might like to think".

the issue is that this networking happens from the cradle, if you dont go to clongowes you will never get in with the merchant princes etc

these are the useless ones

the one who graft there way up with hard work aint

RYAN is the perfect example, do you ever question how you arent on stupid money in RTE but somehow he is

Look as nice an idea as it is, this pull yourself up by your boot strings is rare in comparison to the others

Now the thread is to question how all these dummy's end up in high places and this is the answer

It's not just hard work on their parts

Rte is an example of somewhere this is as bad as it gets

Parents will still look out for their kids

How many companies out there have bosses kids running them

Professions like law firms accounting etc all the same

Peter Principle, particularly in Politics.

People keep rising the ranks until they exceed their level of competence and then they just loiter there.

Someone is competent at their role, and they earn promotion to another role. This role may require utilising new skills. The person may be competent at these new skills, and thus earn a further promotion. Eventually, they'll rise the ranks high enough to a point where they can't adapt to the new skill requirements, and they just end up stuck there; blocking more high-skilled people from ascending.

Spoofing, cronyism and nepotism can skew the results.

In my experience, from my career at work in various public and private sector companies since the 1990, the title, level in the organisation and salary, often have nothing to do with the work ability or intelligence of the person. Quite often it is long service, being in the right place at the right time or underhanded/intimidation that got the person the big bucks!

I think there are plenty of hiding places today.

A lot of senior managers are not are very good at self promotion. Some are good at their job, many are not. But that they got where they got to you have to given them credit for it, even if they are mediocre at their job. Some are excellent though.

I only partially agree with this. Some people are very good in their role, their niche and no desire to move from it. In IT this could a programmer who wants to code, not be a manager. Could be a craftsman who want to do their craft not be a manager of business. On the other hand you do meet people who get promoted into a role and just struggle with it. But how do you know unless you try. Some of it is company culture. Some with struggle in one company, thrive in another.

Occasionally you get a programmer who is a good manager, but a lot aren't. At least in my experience.

I think it's rare you find a manager who is technically poor at their job. More it's their personality that just doesn't work in the role. Perhaps it's worked to this point, but had reached is limit. Which I guess is the same point your making.

It's like a mountaineer whose stubbornness gets them to the top of a mountain, but also gets them out of their depth and into danger because they won't back down. Same trait works to a point.

I think that's different to being inept in a role.