Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

Aine would of wiped the floor with her …..shame she didn’t get chance to at least debate it with holly

Answer to that is No.

There's more money and less work involved changing to refugee accommodation. So that's occurring lately with nursing homes.

Between the dearth left of nursing homes and the one's changed to refugee accommodation. I've a sense theres no will to rock that boat.

Dairy farmers have been meal of the day to attack since I visited my first regen type meeting. It's permeated on and spread with billboards, social media. Now it's acceptable to mainstream. That's how it's started, gradual first then get the farmers themselves to accept that they are doing something wrong. You've vocal dairy farmers themselves now saying live exports are wrong. If it's stopped it's a serious blow to all agriculture in Ireland. We have the land to rear livestock and we need the external markets abroad. Grain farmers are looking at downed crops with the rain. With livestock the grass still grows.

It's all really ridiculous at present. Of course you have the types hoping biogas will solve what they see as a livestock issue. The livestock issue is the Disney attitude that no life should ever be killed. Except of course humans, abortion and assisted suicide. Personally no problem myself with it with caveats. But there's the hypocrisy. Especially when the animals death is bringing benefit to the human. But the biogas is slow to roll out so all this is rolled out ahead atm to now meet emission targets. The boats will be targeted now and this will be used to pressurise. Hopefully they stand firm and see how the welfare was good on their part. All stops be pulled out now to ensure all parts of the journeys are top notch.

On the biogas. Imagine looking to drive into fields now for cuts of multispecies swards. And that's what they want not maize used like Germany. Anyway the increased slurry storage now being demanded will be used for digestate storage if the owners get out of livestock. So win, win. But it's the energy companies dictate the price, contract arrangements, time to the AD plants who dictate to the farmers, landowners. Farmers who give out about Goodman, Tirlan now. Will be giving out about Bord Gais.

Too much rain today. 😄

Can you not go in heavy with copper supplement for that. It locks the molybdenum up in the rumen and doesn't cause any issues then after. It's when the molybdenum goes into the blood hunting for copper that the issue occurs.

And having a party in Dublin Castle to celebrate the introduction of the abortion industry into Ireland .

C.Daly on one night about fox hunting and how young foxs are ripped and pulled from their homes. Which is fair enough until she was on a few nights later No need to guess what she was shouting that night. Similar to Holly in that regard

What I'm saying is that 60 milking cows is plenty to make a living. The sfp, anc, acres, should bring say 20, let the cow bring in 800 net 48000. Calves, dry cows a few grand that's over 70. Let the wife bring in 20 that's 90.

What I was saying that plenty for the normal guy. But there are lads here who spend that on machinery and gadgets every year

The social democrats aren’t part of the current government. Who will the the dairy farmers vote for?

You'll see farmer candidates if the derogation is lost. There will be no forgivness of government TD's in Cork if thngs go tits up. Be assured, the TD's know this.

Would you think they'll get anywhere near enough votes if they do materialise? Beyond dairy farmers I'm not sure if anyone really cares about the derogation going. A few Matty McGrath's extra won't change the course that all the parties are likely to go.

What does a typical 60 cow farm in derogation, with maybe 70 owned acres do, rambling on about acres payments cherry-picking the perfect farm scenarios for your above examples its right out of the teagasc playbook

You've nailed many a scenario there. This is half the dairy farmers in the country. 70 acres owned and no chance of holding onto rented ground, no chance of rearing replacements in future, no chance of running a reserve for repairs and maintainence, upgrading machinery, pulling through a TB breakdown etc..

Some would, and why would you predetermine them as Matty McGrath's?

That "generate two incomes" was a teagasc/IFJ stunt just like "build up the cow numbers and the facilities can follow later".

In what way, alot of new entrants around here that would of been good sized beef holdings that have been switched to dairying with it been a father/son venture, with two wages been taken from the farm, before that it was the father working away with the son helping part-time outside of his previous job, one man units are fine in theory but you really do become a slave to the place, and theirs always the fear of a accident putting you out of action, which leaves you seriously exposed re day to day running of farm

Very hard to see how they pull in a wider vote without being a similar type politician. All of the main parties will go along with this.

Dairy farmers are very much in the minority. In order to get non dairy farmers to vote for them, what will the pro derogation TD offer to the wider audience? And where are they now?