World's hottest day since records began

No, not a journalist's bread-and-butter hyperbolic article, I mean actual hard data from the AEMet official drought-monitoring tool to put things in an historic context.

Pretty much.

Look we aren’t gonna stop climate change nor make much of a difference to it.

Telling people they have to consume less and can’t buy the latest car or iphone or a new couch is not going to go down well.

If someone doesn’t believe climate change is 100% caused by human activity are they a climate denier? 🤔

Do you grow your own oats or are they grown by those farmers that you so despise😊

So are you saying all the possible natural components such as milankovich cycles, sunspots etc aren’t in any way- in even a small %, contributing to climate change?

Imo humans have enjoyed a stable environment and temperature for 1000’s of years (the Holocene epoch).

These periods don’t last forever and naturally change.

Human activity has sped up this process by releasing CO2 into the atmosphere to insulate the earths stratosphere causing warming which is speeding up natural change.

Therefore this climate change is not 100% man made.

Humans will adapt or become extinct but we won’t be able to stop it- to think otherwise is downright arrogant.

I concur with this statement. Greta Thunberg is a prime example. Teenagers and the younger generation in general hang on her every word. They follow her like sheep and woe betide anyone who question her often delusive utterances. I don't like picking on her as she has serious mental health issues (autism, Asperger syndrome etc.) But she has a following, she's a prophet of doom and misery and looks the part. Her ''preaching's'' is having adverse effects on some of her 'disciples'. Some are having serious mental health issue, depression, using drugs etc, dropping out of school / college believing that the there is no future for them, that life on earth is doomed, that the end is nigh. How many young people around the world have already committed suicide or will in the future thanks to her 'prophecies' ??

Parents, especially, should be aware & educate their teenagers, young adults and make them aware of the hidden dangers of cults like Greta has created and guide them to question everything, and do their own independent research and stay open minded. Today's teenagers are tomorrow's adults, they should be encouraged to be full of hope, dreams and aspirations for the future. Prophets of doom should be encouraged to commit hari-kari, just because they are miserable and have no future this does not give them the right to preach their misery and try to drag normal independent thinking folk down with them.

Of course there could be warm spikes within a general cooling over thousands of yrs. Perhaps some of the current warming could be natural. For example the little ice age ended around 1850 ,which would suggest some natural warming since then. Though I do think most of the warming since is down to humans. The little ice age and the medieval warm period before it would fall within the natural variation of the climate. I think what's happening now is outside that natural variation.

No there isn't. Evidence the MWP was a global event have been found in lake sediments in Australia, Canada, the US and in the depths of the Pacific. It was a global event.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1240837

This, bigger, more comprehensive and more recent, study in Nature says differently. It addresses the findings of the 2013 paper but still shows it to be regional, not global coherence

"No pre-industrial epoch shows global coherence in the timing of the coldest or warmest periods. There is, however, regional coherence. For example, there are almost continental-scale patterns during many of the periods and there is a coherent pattern in the tropical Pacific in the RWP, DACP and LIA periods, reminiscent of the El Niño–Southern Oscillation, the most dominant mode of inter-annual variability in the climate system.

In contrast to the spatial heterogeneity of the pre-industrial era, the highest probability for peak warming over the entire CE (Fig. 3c) is found in thel ate 20th century almost everywhere (98% of global surface area) except for Antarctica, where contemporary warming has not yet been observed over thee ntire continent22.

Thus even though the recent warming rates are not entirely homogeneous over the globe with isolated areas showing little warming or even cooling 22,23, the climate system is now in a state of global temperature coherence unprecedented over the Common Era

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1401-2

Full text here

https://boris.unibe.ch/132301/7/333323_4_merged_1557735881.pdf

We import a tiny fraction of the overall ruminant diet.Also we don’t grow much soya so it has to be imported .Most of the cattle / sheep diet in this country is of grown grass or preserved grass as it always has been . Irish farmers have a natural advantage in this regard.

I know that doesn’t fit with the current narrative where we are all being encouraged to consume less meat and dairy but if they are to be produced anywhere on the planet well then here it should be.

. The millions of tonnes of animal feed that is imported is a tiny fraction of total animal diet particularly ruminant diet.Beef cattle for example , are only being fed concentrate for the last few weeks before slaughter. As a per cent age of what the animal consumes over its lifetime, imported grain is insignificant .

If the holy grail is to reduce ghg emissions across the planet, the emphasis should be on increasing meat and dairy production here where it is relatively sustainable and reducing it elsewhere.

I don’t know the reason behind fruit and veg being imported but I would hazard a guess that the cheap food policies of the last fifty years has made it uneconomic for all but the few large operators still doing it to remain in business. No medium sized farm is going to survive on vegetables produced for the multiples. Dairying could end up going in the same direction if the Green agenda has its way.

The holy grail should be reducing meat and dairy consumption worldwide. Also if Irish beef and dairy is so amazing why do you all think it can be replaced in the EU so easily by Brazilian products? Surely the consumer knows better.

I never said it could be replaced easily by South American produce. My initial comment was on the idiocy of the Green ideology of wanting to cull 200k cows in the one of the best places in the world to have them. The displaced production will be taken up elsewhere in the world where it is less sustainable .

As for consumers knowing better ? You must be joking

And the massive stocking reductions that you crave will reduce production . That production will then go elsewhere in the world where it is more than likely less sustainable.

As world population increases and living standards improve, much more meat and dairy , as cheap protein sources , will have to be found . This is never actually addressed. There seems to be a belief that we can cull the herds here in wet and windy Ireland and all will be well with the world.

If we were smart as a nation we would produce that food here . There are issues that need to be resolved -the dairy calves and the cartel among the meat plants etc but it is not insurmountable

Dairy , sheep meat , chicken and pork receive very little subsidies. Beef is only subsidised because the end consumer won’t pay the true cost.

Not too many people eat or could stomach ten kgs of soya . World meat consumption is increasing and a larger fraction of that could be satisfied by producing it sustainably here in Ireland .We could benefit from our natural advantages like any sensible nation would.

In Ireland more pollution is caused by human waste than animal waste. The number of water pollution prosecutions initiated by the local authorities over say the last five years show a lot more cases against Irish Water than individual farmers. If farmers are responsible for massive pollution why aren’t they being prosecuted in massive numbers ?

Household water charges should have been implemented as originally proposed and the funds used to upgrade the waste water treatment plants .

Stocking rates are controlled by individual farmers not by the Government. Yes Teagasc made bad policy decisions but at the end of the day individual farmers can reduce stocking rates just as easily as they were increased.

That simply doesn’t make sense. You are implying that every Environment section in every Local Authority has taken the exact same decision not to prosecute individual farmers when they are found to cause water pollution ?

. I didn’t mention septic tanks . I was referring to the inadequate treatment of human waste water at what were local authority plants that have been taken over by UE . These are the cases that are ending up in the courts. It would be laughable if prosecutions could be initiated against a government body but not against an individual farmer.

If you picked up the bill in full for the food that you consume, your country cousins sure would be mighty thankful to you sir.