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N26 Ballina Bypass

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 981 ✭✭✭medoc


    Not an observation on the need for the bypass itself but why is there an N26? Seems to be a bit of a pointless use of a national primary when a secondary would be adequate. Is there any reason for the primary designation?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 Imeacht gan teacht ort


    It used to be a secondary road, the N57 I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Wikipedia says N26 is Mayo’s second busiest road after N5, with AADT around 10,000. It was previously the N57.

    I don't think it should have been upgraded to a primary just due to traffic volumes, but it may have been done in order to push it up the funding list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Sorry I'm sure people will think I'm just negative about roads etc, but genuinely I've never seen significant traffic in Ballina, despite having been through the town god knows how many times at rush hour. Plenty locals have also told me about traffic but I've never been delayed by more than a couple of minutes. The most I've seen is a few minutes delay on the Crossmolina/N59 road or on the N26, both towards the crossroads/town. Google Maps traffic doesn't really show much either.

    Anybody care to enlighten me? Could a proper development plan to the South-West of the town (incorporating a distributor road) be better bang for buck than a bypass like this one?

    And also in the Mayo area, getting between the N26 and N17 has always been my biggest problem. What I wouldn't give for a road upgrade there!

    I'm all ears if someone can clue me in!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I think a bypass makes sense but I'd also say there are higher priority bypasses needed elsewhere. This is probably one of the cheapest bypasses left, its only 2 - 2.5km, through fields, no major structures. When thinking of bang for your buck, bear in mind that it's not going to require many bucks.

    I don't understand your reference to a distributor road, I don't see where you would build a distributor road without first building this bypass. The bypass will have an intermediate junction and link to a road which seems to be called The Commons, according to Google Maps. Presumably the plan would be to upgrade this road and then build a new road running north to open up those lands for development. Further development with a distributor road dumping all traffic onto the existing N59 isn't good long term planning.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Sorry yes with "distributor road" I simply meant creation of an overall plan for expansion south-west of the town, with roughly this bypass route as the "expansion" boundary makes some sense. And obviously a distributor road would be needed for/within that area. But the town doesn't strike me as needing an urban expansion project any more than it does a bypass.

    I take your point regarding the cheapness of the build, and that's fair enough. I just never saw any of the famous gridlock, no matter how often I'm told about it (and I honestly have been told often enough, believe it or not!). Within the town, roads-wise I've always assumed that the greatest "bypass" need was East-West linkage removing dependence on the N59 (Crossmolina to Bonniconlon).

    I was hoping a local might be able to give more context. As I say, I've been through a lot of times at rush hour and never seen it myself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Just regarding the upgrade of the N26 from Ballina to Foxford, it appears this is now a 'live' project as far as TII are concerned.

    According to Mayo Co Co this week, consultant procurement is ongoing for N26 Mount Falcon to Foxford scheme for the various phases of scheme delivery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 Bmomoran


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 Bmomoran


    Qrfgt

    National Primary routes are routes between the main centres in the country of urban population and to/from ports. 

    National Secondary Routes generally run between centres of lesser population but still important towns, many of which are tourist routes.

    Ballina is the 4th largest urban centre in the west of Ireland ( after Galway, Sligo and Castlebar).

    Aside from this, daily AADT of around 10,000.

    On the basis of the above national primary route designation seems appropriate.

    If my memory serves me correctly, initially the N5 terminated at Castlebar but political interference resulted in Westport being designated the new termination point.

    Political decision making has also resulted in a new over spec-ed dual carriageway being built into Westport while at the same time Ballina is getting crumbs from the table with Cloongullane bridge and promises of online realignment of N26.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Just leaving this here as there is no dedicated N26 thread.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Good to see the preferred route emerging. Still a long way to go but at least things are moving now.

    This new road will end at the N26. Are there any plans at all to continue on and cross the river and connect the N26 to the Sligo road?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    N26 Ballina Bypass Phase 1 - Preferred Option Corridor consultation open;




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    They should really just extend the route by another 400 metres through an empty field to make a more direct link to the Killala Road. As it stands, if you're going from the Foxford Road to the Killala Road, you will still travel through the town even when the bypass is open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    That was my first thought too. I see there is also a relatively modern road further north of that again, although it doesn't currently align with a potential new road. The southern-most 150m or so of that road could be shifted further west though and you'd have a full bypass along the western fringe of the town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 Bmomoran


    The route seems to cross the railway.


    Any idea how this would happen ?


    A level crossing would not be good solution I think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Usually the road will go over the railway. Iarnród Éireann tell the designers what they need in terms of clearance and space for future works, and the bridge is included in the road project.

    Level crossings are slowly being removed across the whole rail network; nobody will add a new one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I agree. It seems that field may have been protected for a ring road in future anyway so why not include it now.

    At the other end it seems to run into the Hollister property. Is there room there to allow for a possible roundabout and direct link to a bypass on the eastern side of Ballina? Having to go back on to the N26 to link the bypasses would be undesirable I'd imagine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Dara Calleary has either been misquoted, or misspoke, or he is completely insane. The project hasn't even gone to Bord Pleanala yet.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    The bike salesman is further muddying the waters here. Talking down the N17 yet again and saying he wants to prioritise the Ballina orbital route, but it's not clear if he means the N26/N59 link now in planning, or a full orbital route which would include new bridges over the Moy.




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Some grade A tripe coming out of his mouth there. He's turned into a West on Track lobbyist now.

    If MM + LV had any sort of backbone they should have split the Dept of Transport into 2 and let a FF/FG Minister manage roads, aviation and shipping. Let ER take PT + AT and let him put all his resources into advancing those areas. Split capital funding 2:1 between PT + new roads as ER wanted, but be clear that every last euro spent on PT + AT as part of a road project comes out of those respective budgets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    I suspect the Greens wouldn't have accepted this. Ryan wanted the entire transport department for a reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    And Energy. There was very clear logic to it, from their perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I would think he means the N26/N59. A continuation of it across the Moy won't happen for a long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Councillors in Ballina are looking to get a link from the proposed bypass to the Killala road. Not sure what line exactly it would take.

    Seems like a sensible idea but the council are saying they haven't the resources to progress it.

    https://westernpeople.ie/2023/10/19/council-has-no-capacity-to-develop-link-road-to-bypass-busy-ballina-stretch/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    It's a great idea, it would only be 450 metres of road across an empty field.

    To be honest I'm not sure how effective the N26/N59 link will be as a bypass without a link to the Killala road. I don't know Ballina that well, but I'd imagine there's quite a lot of traffic between the Killala road and the N26 that currently goes through town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I think it needs that extension as well. From speaking to people as things stand I don't think there are many hold ups when travelling from Crossmolina road to the Foxford road - just a slight delay at the lights at the font. The Killala road is quite busy at times and it would be good to take a lot of that traffic out of town.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    There's already a mini ring road between the Killala road and McDermott Street. I'm not sure when it was built (maybe the late 90s?) but it looks to be of a high standard, with wide lanes and a footpath on both sides.

    Once the N26/N59 link is done there would just be a short missing link between McDermott St and the N59.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 Healy92


    i dont understand the route this extension would take. The Killala road is very built up out as far as coca cola.

    There is a route already built, however, it's very residential with the Rockwell estate and St Mary's school built onto it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Yes that ring road has been useful in diverting traffic between the N59 and Killala but it runs into housing estates at its southern end so that suggests that it isn't planned to use it as part of any future bypass.

    I think the area is too residential as well for the existing ring road to work as a long term solution. The new link would almost need to begin somewhere further out past the Merry Monk. Only yesterday it was announced that 66 new homes are to be constructed on the Killala road. Traffic is only going to increase on this route so it would seem prudent to secure a wayleave in this area even if the link is not done in the short term. I would hope that it is influencing in some way the selection of the exact N26/N59 bypass route.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    This is going to ABP in Q1 2025, according to Mayo County Council.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Thanks for that. What is the predicted timescale between that and starting on site?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    I'm not sure if there is one but these things always progress more slowly than expected. Even if it is submitted in Q1 next year, it would probably take a year to get through ABP, then another year at least of faffing about before it's tendered, and getting from tender to construction would be at least a year too. So starting on site in 2028 is realistic, but going by the progress on other minor projects in the West, it could be much later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Very slow indeed if that turns out to be the case. I'm sure some of those year long stages could be halved if the system was more efficient.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭idi na khuy hai




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Westernview


    A piece from Irishcycle.com on the proposed bypasses for Ballina. I don't get why the proposed bypasses are not aligned but rather staggered onto the N59 and N26. Is this standard design practice? I would have thought they would all meet at roundabouts for better traffic flow.

    https://irishcycle.com/2024/01/30/ballina-transport-plan-reaffirms-plan-to-route-bypass-through-green-areas-of-housing-estates/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭idi na khuy hai


    Absolute garbage, that. Must've been designed by Ryan and the green brigade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Ground Investigation works for the proposed N26 Ballina Bypass Phase 1. Proposed site is located south west of Ballina town centre. Works comprise trial pits, cable percussion boreholes, soil and rotary core holes and peat probing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Mark Duffy at tonight's public consultation on the bypass proposals.

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBhOXVDRagy/?igsh=M3phMndwMzRoMHk0



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    For anyone who wants to take a closer look at the maps and drawings. Hopefully they will get this in to ABP as soon as possible. It could be built in no time if the money was there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,414 ✭✭✭markpb


    The fire and brimstone that people spew about the Greens on this forum is beyond childish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    Due to go to ABP in Q1 2025. Fingers crossed for a swift approval.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Westernview


    Fingers crossed for sure. It's been a long wait for Ballina.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I'd like to repeat the previous poster's comment about the lack of an overall junction between the South and North sections. That staggering of junctions is not any kind of best-practice design I've ever seen. It just seems like an oversight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    From the official drawings, the South section (design underway) will end with a three-arm roundabout on N59. The line of the northern section is not fully defined yet, and the OpenStreetMap screenshot in the Irish Cycle is misleadingly precise, and thus grossly inaccurate: the width of the indicative corridor for Phase 2 allows that to continue directly from the terminal roundabout of Phase 1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,349 ✭✭✭Westernview


    It may continue directly from the last roundabout but it's questionable why it has to pass so close to Hollister with a direct access from Hollister onto the road and all the traffic that will ensue at that location Surely having both bypass sections meeting further south would be a better solution with hollister traffic coming onto the existing N26 where it does now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I was talking about the Northern end, where Phase 1 ends, and Phase 2 begins (that map has North at the left, which I always find odd - maybe it’s a nod to medieval maps that put Jerusalem at the top :) ).

    At the southern end, in the screengrab you posted, I don’t see anything being made worse here. There’s already a direct access to the Hollister site, but at present it’s a T-junction, here:


    Now, I don’t know the area at all, but I suspect that this arrangement creates long tailbacks on N26 when drivers try to enter the factory site. A roundabout will reduce these delays by making it easier for traffic to turn right into the site (from the south), and also turn right out of it at shift-ends (northwards, towards the town).

    That existing site-access road is within the project boundary, so I guess it’s going to be closed off and replaced by the roundabout



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,460 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Yep two different discussions.

    I've never seen queues getting into Hollister actually, but maybe that's just luck. The queues I usually have are in town and on the Crossmolina road.

    I still maintain despite all the bellyaching I hear locally, that Ballina's traffic isn't significant. The biggest thing it needs IMO is an East-West link, not a North-South link. And I say that as someone who goes to/from Killala. I regularly hear "oh traffic is really bad" and then breeze through in less than 10 minutes.

    The town centre is just painfully full of cars too. Tone street and O'Rahilly Street and the likes seem to be crying out for some urban enhancements. A discussion for a different thread.



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