Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

It's not logical. It's about fairness and mitigation of external physicak risks(in contact sports).

You’re as well off to unfollow when you miss the point that it’s because it’s a physical contact sport that people are injured, it’s nothing to do with anyone’s sex.

The weak argument is predicated upon the idea that men by virtue of their sex are thugs and it would be like throwing women to the wolves. Let’s pretend we can’t mitigate the risks of injuries to any of the players, and if they get injured it’s not our responsibility, their body, their choice, equal rights, and lefts! 😒

Since when, is poker considered a physical contact sport?

https://nypost.com/2023/05/03/florida-man-wins-womens-poker-tournament-insanity/amp/

Hell I only came back here because in response to a player having to be hospitalised and discussing whether or not to allow the game to continue, another player on the opposing team responded with “Let them eat shìt” -

Speaking to Colombian supporters who had gathered outside Meakin Park, Ireland’s training base for the Women’s World Cup, Caracas said: “They are just girls, one little foul and they started complaining. They were having a chat among themselves to continue or not so we weren’t going to hang around waiting for them.” She added: “Honestly, let them eat ****.”

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/15/republic-of-ireland-players-feared-for-their-bodies-in-colombia-womens-world-cup-friendly

But perhaps you’re right - men are the problem, because they’re men.

Referees would be tasked to step in, but given it was a training match behind closed doors it's unlikely to be officially ref'd (and it's likely the Ireland team wasn't comfortable with how competitive Colombia made it just a few days before the official matches vs. there being anything wrong with how they were playing, the World Cup is a big deal to a lot of players who will have been handling themselves very carefully for the past number of months).

Not that it's likely to happen as most sportspeople are good sportspeople, but if a team of professional men football players decided to "let them eat ****" against a team of professional biological female football players you could very easily have a few career ending injuries come out of it (and if it somehow did happen, it would likely be the immediate end of mixed contact competitive football).

Hence why most of the arguments tend to be for non-contact sports.

I think they were paraphrasing the comment.

Plus I think a lot of posters don't understand what logic is.

Shithousery is a big part of the men's game and often goes unpunished (and teams supporters often applaud it rightly or wrongly). There has also been lots of training ground bust ups between players and sometimes managers, here's a few "fun" ones to read about:

Football's nastiest training ground bust-ups ranked - Thomas Gravesen to John Hartson - Daily Star

The clubs themselves usually sanction or fine the players (some players never play for particular managers again).

Again, if those were occurring in gender mixed football, what might be a yellow card against a man might be a career ending bone break against a female.

Can we both begin from the first principle that shìthousery shouldn’t be part of any game? That it has no place in sports?

Again, if those were occurring in gender mixed football, what might be a yellow card against a man might be a career ending bone break against a female.

Career ending injuries are caused, not because of anyone’s sex, but because of the attitude and behaviour of the person who inflicts an injury on others. The vast majority of people in sports don’t seek to inflict injury on others, in the same way as it’s not just coincidence that in years of participation in all sorts of sports, I never inflicted injury on another player, got injured a few times alright, but nothing career ending, which are incredibly rare injuries, not just because they’re prohibited by the rules, but because the vast majority of people participating in sports aren’t interested in inflicting injuries on others.

The assumption that men will inflict injuries on women because they’re men and women are women is predicated upon the idea of making assumptions about men, when in reality the vast majority of men simply aren’t inclined to behave like scumbags, and the vast majority of women aren’t wilting wallflowers who need to be protected by men, from men.

It's not that at all. Career ending tackles can be innocuous challenges, badly timed ones...not because they're nasty.

The Colombian game was nasty. The Irish women can well handle themselves. It went well above that.

Your last paragraph again is rubbish. It's not men protecting women and being white knights. The women have been raising concerns all by themselves...God bless them.

This is about fairness. Not sex based.

Are you transgender? I'm sure the vast majority aren't wilting wallflowers that need to be protected by you.

It's that some mean and some women will engage in that unsporting behavior. The danger is multiplied when a man engages in that unsporting behavior against females.

For some sports it doesn't need to be unsporting. Stick a men's rugby team against a female team and the female team will be subjected to multiple dangerous injuries, the men would steamroller them.

For contact sports, this isn't even an argument, it's just dangerous for females and would lead to 0 females participating in that sport.

For non-contact sports it comes down to fairness of competition vs. inclusivity.

Hence why no one is really engaging on the Irish women's world cup team, it's a non-argument in the trans-debate.

What?

Civility? I have been very civil.

You attack and attack without answering anything. Just walls of text with little value in the posts.

Your posts contradict what you attack other posters on. Us men protecting women. Going to answer my question?

It's about fairness and I hope everyone gets involved.

That’s not what you asked me the first time, you summarised a position which I didn’t hold and asked me whether or not it was my position. You encouraged me to be brave, and just answer yes or no, so I summoned up what courage I could muster and gave you what I hoped would be a satisfactory response to your question. Still unsatisfied? Join the queue, there’s a long line 😂