Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

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But some of us have been discussing Ukraine since pre 2014

This is not a juvenile my side is better than your side argument. War is horrible. Atrocities are committed and those who commit them should be held to account as well as their political leaders and NO country should be exempt from that.

You post about Minsk and NATO yet pretend to know nothing about Budapest and NATO Russia founding act.

Your claims have no credibility.

The vast majority of warcrimes are carried out by Russian forces. That is documented beyond doubt by the UN and others.

The invasions by Russia are a war crimes in themselves and ultimate responsibility for every death lies with Russia.

Any attempt therefore to draw a moral equivalence between invaded Ukraine and invaders Russia is therefore pro Russian. It is a position of moral bankruptcy that implicitly gives succour to Russia to commit further war crimes. Therefore any posts that do not reflect that reality of Russian responsibility only encourages more war crimes, more abuse of innocents, more abuse of children.

The CIA invaded Czechoslovakia and started shooting at Russians and the Russians invaded to protect western invasion ,

We know that didn't actually happen but this is what will be claimed by some

Man that is a lot of ammo to take a small bit of land against a supposedly weaker army. You would think with that edge they would have actually won the war in a few weeks.

Russia have always been the most artillery focused army. Hence the edge. This war is showing that while it has its uses it is not near that decisive.

They an shoot all the artillery they like but it needs to generate results. Fighting for more than a year against Ukraine is an embarrassment for a supposed world power.

Google Igor Girkins I started the war in Donbass ( or Strelkov as he was also known as ) when he shot down flight MH17.

Yes. . . The Americans always tell the truth. Everyone knows that.

Start of my post: "Quote:- Sure, people lie. " Unquote. I never claimed that that any Country is honest and truthful, but for sure, in todays world, Putin's Russia are the greatest liars on the planet, bar none. Throughout their history, Russian's have been noted for their dishonesty, a tradition Putin upholds 100%.

You just hit on another one there.

E.g. "the government always tells the truth", "the mainstream news is never wrong" intended in a sarcastic way. These are projected slogans to insinuate someone holds some extreme position (which few do)

In this case, US intelligence on Ukraine is not infallible, certainly not perfect, but during this conflict it has been relatively accurate. At the opposite end of the spectrum there is Russian intelligence which contains a high level of systematic disinformation.

Attempting to compare the two is disingenuous. And again, is part of the "both sides" thing.

It's not a theoretical "more likely". So that's fallacy #1. It is documented fact by the UN, and posted to the thread. Vast majority

Russian are occupying the ethnically Russian areas. Fallacy #2 is that Russian is there as some sort of liberator or protector of ethnic Russians when they are just there to plunder and rape and press gang cannon fodder. It is imperialism.

You have a verifiable whopper yourself on the thread. You are a proven liar and I can cite the posts to prove it.

Your claims have no credibility.

As for Russian lies, have you just emerged from hibernation in the middle of the war? Russia has been lying about this war from the very beginning. They've been lying from before the 2022 invasion. They lied about the contents of the Budapest agreement. They lied about the contents of the Minsk agreements, at one point they even tried to lie about who had signed it!

I'm sure you could find dozens of instances within 5 minutes - if you wanted to. So there is no point us doing your own research for you, as you will just ignore any evidence presented to you that you dislike.

Your posts are proof you have no interest in any truths from Ukraine that contradict your prejudged position.