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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭creedp


    Yea I could drop kids off but they would have to walk home. Probably shows that some people need more range than others. Presumably though you live in an urban setting while I'm a little bit more out in the sticks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭zg3409


    While 20% on a big battery car is a lot, I don't recommend attempting the first public charge with only 15km range left. For example today I was in the Midlands. Only about 30km range left arriving at the charger. On the way I checked on the esb app if it was in use. Arriving at petrol station another car was just pulling in ahead of me to start a charge. I had a choice, wait, go in wrong direction for around 30km to nearest 50kW+ single charger, head around 35km wrong direction to multiple ionity units, or go about 2km to the event I was heading to and come back later. When I came back to same site about 35 minutes later owner was still charging with car. They said trying to get to 80% which took 2 minutes, then they spent 10 minutes trying to disconnect the CCS. I was cutting it fine, not ideal, having about 26km range at this point.


    The moral of the story is stop when you are down to 60/100/120km (unless you can make it home) and top up a bit. Dont arrive with 30km range unless multiple 50kW+ units are within 30km. It's not the first time I have arrived second to a public charger. I passed Longford later, 2 cars on the one 50kW charger...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Why didn't you aim for the Ionity units in the first place? 😉

    Seriously, they're not that much more expensive anymore and there's a better chance of getting a free charger

    Okay, fair enough, it sounds like they were a bit of a detour which is annoying, but personally I'd probably have just planned to head there on the return and use the Ecars charger if it happened to be free

    I would say balance your arrival SoC against the likelihood of getting stuck waiting. I've pulled into Ionity sites with 15% remaining confident there was a charger available that would deliver full power, and worst case there were a couple of slower sites nearby if disaster struck and the whole site was offline

    If I was heading out somewhere that had a single Ecars fast charger for the whole town (i.e the entire city of Waterford) then I would definitely engage in some opportunistic charging before I arrive

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    That's why I'll always target multi CCS chargers, I'd rather pay the extra knowing that it's more likely to be available or that with 3+ chargers I'm queueing for 1 of 3 which is going to be a much shorter wait. We're in a much better position these todays to plan routes like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭zg3409


    Ionity was 30km out of my way in wrong direction. I probably should have charged earlier on the trip but I was hoping to arrive with a low charge and quickly fill up to travel on. I started off at 100% and I needed to charge twice today due to distance and small battery EV, so it's always a compromise of number of stops and risks. There is no guarantee next charger will be available nor work. As I said Longford was crazy busy, I'm glad I was well charged up passing there. Easygo units tend to be quieter when available as not many people know about them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    @zg3409 - "Ideally as a driver aim to end your trip with 20% spare"


    There's no need for that at all, well depending on the car. If a Tesla says it will bring you home with 1% or 0% left, that's good enough for me, there is typically a decent enough buffer. I've gone on trips home where the car told me up front I wouldn't make it. Just drive a bit slower than the speed limits and you'll be fine. But I guess this gets easier the more experienced you are as an EV driver. I've never run out in near 7 years of driving EVs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,341 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Can anyone use ionity, is it an app like all the others? Should be getting my EV this week I've always noticed ionity chargers are mostly empty which would be handy the odd time I'd ever need a public charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!



    For sure anyone can use them as long as you don't have a Nissan Leaf with obsolete CHAdeMO DC fast charging. What EV are you getting? I've seen you around on this forum and on the classic cars forum for many years, you were fairly sceptical at times about EVs, delighted you have finally made the jump into EV ownership :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,341 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Cupra Born, should be ready this week. Do the ionity use a standard credit card? In reality I'd be rarely using public charging but it would be handy to be setup before trying to use one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Not exactly, you'll need to download the Ionity app and then select a charger to pay by card through the app

    Seat probably have an equivalent of We Charge for VW and it's probably easier to register that and get a card if it's free

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    For Ionity I use ChargePoint as they send you a physical rfid card as well, which I like having in case of ever encountering network/app issues on the phone….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,341 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Thanks lads, another app for the EV folder on the phone🫣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,346 ✭✭✭markpb


    The battery charge can drop further after you get home as the fans continue to run and the battery cools down. This is even more noticeable in winter. If you have an overnight timer on your home charger, you may need to charge a little immediately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭innrain


    I would ask the dealer about the Cupra charging and some introductory tariffs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,341 ✭✭✭CoBo55




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I had this a few years ago on a particularly cold winters night...

    Plugged in at about 6-7pm at 16%, checked it a few hours later and the cold had brought it down to 7%... and it was still falling.... so I gave it a bit of a top up to about 15% again as my scheduled charge wasn't due to start till 2am, which was still 2-3 hours away...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Well wear! I have only tried Ionity once when they were new and it was a novelty. That was years ago and I can't remember what I used, might have been a German app on my phone. I started the thread in this forum when Ionity announced that they were going to launch in Ireland and with this new boards setup, I can't even unsubscribe from that thread 😂

    In truth I almost never publicly fast charge as my car has about 300km motorway range, that is almost always enough for a day trip



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    I had this issue with another thread here. Its buried deep but I found the option. I'll dig out the link later for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,341 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    According to the lads on the Born thread they're getting similar range too so I'll rarely, if ever need to use public charging. Flogas have submitted my request for a D/N meter and with 14.75c night rate I'm well sorted. The deal includes servicing, a set of tyres and front discs and pads, it's going to be cheap motoring ☺️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Yep. My last ICE car cost me €50 per week in fuel. I replaced it with my Ioniq electric in early 2017 and that car cost me €30 in fuel. For the year 😁

    Maybe get some solar PV as well? Both my EVs have been run 100% on the sun for about 2 months now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    +1 on the solar PV.

    From April 5th to July 3rd I only charged from the grid twice... everything else was PV.

    Also @CoBo55 the front discs and pads that you got in the deal... might sound better than it actually is as it'll be a long time before you need new pads, and a long long long time before you need new discs!! The ID.3/Born is RWD isn't it?? therefore the rear wheels will be doing all the braking thanks to regen, so your front brakes/pads will hardly see any use at all...... I'm up to 82,000km in my Model 3 and the front pads look like they were only put on a few thousand km ago....


    Ask around in the Born & ID.3 thread how folk are getting on with pads/discs.... but I'd imagine disc's won't need changing for at least a few hundred thousand km's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Ionity hubs here seem to be getting busier by the day over the last 6 months. Unless you’re arriving early morning or late at night, you’ll be likely to waiting at least a few minutes to have one free up.

    ChargeFinder App is useful as it shows the SOC% of the occupied stalls. It often demonstrates the nonsense of idiot drivers insisting on getting to 100% before they leave.

    Ionity seems to be very popular with company car/van drivers who aren’t paying the bill for charging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I think there aren't even discs on the front, just good old cheap drums, like on bottom of the range cars from the 70s. VW know how to save a few bob and present you with the ultimate Paddy spec 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I thought the drums were only on the rear...?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,341 ✭✭✭CoBo55


    Untrue, there's no modern car with drums on the front. Anything else wrong with them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    If I had any doubts about the braking performance of the Born I would have been onto a VW specialist to get the larger eboost discs fitted.

    The brakes are fine, it's the tyres that are crap :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I can confirm from experience that the stopping power on the ID.4 is rib crushing 😵

    Born should be a bit better as it doesn't have quite as much inertia

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭creedp


    Just don't listen to the dealer when he insists your discs are corroded due to lack of use, which he will carefully explain results in EV discs requiring even more regular replacement that ICEs😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭handpref


    Second that Andy, 180,000km’s on the i3 and brakes have plenty left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    Maingau? Used that a few years ago, thanks for the tip 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭wassie


    ChargeFinder App is useful as it shows the SOC% of the occupied stalls. It often demonstrates the nonsense of idiot drivers insisting on getting to 100% before they leave.

    +1 for this. I have all the Ionity sites saved as favourites and is super useful when making a decision when you have choice of charging, especially during these summer months.

    Ionity seems to be very popular with company car/van drivers who aren’t paying the bill for charging.

    Probably the only reason I charge at Ionity - along with every other Tesla driver I speak to at Ionity.

    DCI card FTW!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    For the DCI card, do you not need a company to use their EV charging card?

    I was looking at it earlier but couldn't find the pricing either.

    Anyone any info?

    Cheers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭wassie


    From the DCI FAQ

    What are the requirements to apply for a DCI card? If you are a registered business with a valid VAT number, can provide a trade reference and have at least one vehicle you can apply for a card with us.

    As for current rates, you need to speak directly with them - they are not published.

    But I think its safe to assume that there is no special pricing or discounting. I checked when they first issued the cards a couple of years back and at that time it was the standard published rates of the charging provider (for ESB & Ionity). The only advantage is saving on VAT.

    My understanding is the DCI One EV charging card is simply a rebranded solution from UK outfit Radius Vehicle Solutions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Don’t bother with a DCI EV card unless someone else is paying your bill, rates aren’t discounted and you’ll have additional card charges etc. Their fuel card is worth having at times for ICE vehicles but their fuel pricing can be quite volatile.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,240 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Is the NCT having a laugh? Just went on to book the test for my 2.5k auction leaf (NCT up in august) and the next date is in 2024!?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,667 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    There’s a waitlist option. You generally get a slot with 2 weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Grab the popcorn

    Preview for Bjorn's 1000km challenge in an electric bus 😂

    Apparently the estimated time is around 13.5 hours, which doesn't actually seem too bad

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,240 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Oh yes I added my name to it but still, 2024 as next available is shocking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Welcome to 2023, it's like 2022 but all the problems are worse

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    My beemer due in January…. Earliest test I could get was September….

    as soon as it does it I’ll immediately rebook for the Jan 24 test…. Might get a test by summer 2024



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,295 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    In my experience with NCT if you call them you'll get a test in 4-5 weeks, I done two cars last year and a family member had the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Mine is due in May 2025, guess I'd better book it now 😬

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭innrain


    You need to check at odd hours. Just right now Navan is available in 3 weeks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,729 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    My Model 3 will be due in March, so I’d probably want to get booking it soon enough..!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Or do it the Irish way, just get a new PCP going a year before your car ever needs its first NCT 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭silver_sky


    I think if you check for slots at 11pm or is it midnight they show up. I've done that before and it worked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,240 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Will do.

    In other random EV thoughts, the funky cat arrived yesterday at last. So here's the current fleet of EVs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    more news, the Renault Twizy is to be no longer made.

    I have to say I was a fan of them. If all you want is something to get you the few km to work or the shops, and you dont need it for long spins or hauling a shedload of camping gear or 2 kids and the wife, it works perfect.

    Not everyone needs a 5 seat tank of a yoke with 600 to 1200km range. If you had a component of motor tax by weight, you would (or will) see more of this type of ultra light car on the road.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,747 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Love them too, but they simply have always been far too expensive for what they are. Not only new, but second hand too. And that is not even considering the ridiculous battery lease. And not being waterproof without adaptations. Which means they are nothing more than a rich person's toy. Or slightly better, a gimmicky advert on wheels

    While they should have been a form of economical and enviornmently friendly private transport, replacing a car

    Going forward, hopefully the likes of the Citroen Ami can become what the Twizy was not. And if European manufacturers can't put a basic EV (quadricycle) on the road for about €6-8k on time and in large numbers, then the Chinese most certainly will and at the same time wipe out all competition



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