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Hermitage Golf Club

  • 16-07-2023 9:28pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭


    Hi all, 

    I am looking for a new club to join (either next year or soon enough after), am based in South Dublin so the local clubs are mainly off-limits. One of the clubs I am looking at investigating is Hermitage - just wondering what its like. Membership was open a couple of years ago but not sure now as I enquired but ended up not joining anywhere during Covid. 

    Next problem I have is I don't know anybody in the club, so not sure how easy it is going to be to get in either as I'll need proposers/seconders/etc. But I guess I'll worry about it another day and can find all that out if I proceed further - maybe I don't have a hope and its full, etc but I am sure I can find all that out as well.

    Anyone able to shed any light on the club? 

    Thanks in advance.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,001 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Don't know much...but I don't think it will be cheap or easy .

    Won't be far off the off limits you think..

    One of the best courses in Dublin ..by a mile..1st division.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,639 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    What's your budget like in terms of annual subs and are you willing to pay a joining fee?

    Might be worth giving a little more info and people could offer up some suggestions.

    As per Fix, Hermitage is a superb course, but I'd imagine there is a joining fee and a fairly steep annual sub for it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    Hi,

    Thanks for the replies - yeah, I sort of expect getting in to be a challenge. The options are limited enough and I don't want to be a commuter golfer if I can avoid it (e.g. I don't want to spend my time up and down the M7 to play golf in Palmerstown Estate for example)

    In terms of budget, I can probably pay up to 8-9k of a joining fee (any more and I'll need to pay legal fees....:D) and don't mind a sub around 1500-1600 euro, or there abouts. Anything more than that is probably out of my budget. The joining fee will be a harder sell to the wife than the annual sub I suspect - I hardly drink at all and don't have any other expensive hobbies.

    My main goals are

    1. Getting in somewhere, within 25 minutes of home which Hermitage is for example - given the South Dublin clubs are full and also out of range, I need to look a bit further.
    2. Being within striking distance of 9-holes at 8 o'clock during the height of Summer (as I have a young family)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 503 ✭✭✭swededmonkey


    Have you considered Druid's Heath? Subs are c.€1500 and no joining fee and the commute would be suitable. Stackstown, Delgany and Bray would be suitable alternatives



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    Druids Heath / Delgany / Bray are all 45 minutes each way for me.

    Stackstown would be a viable option but I've played it a few times and I don't know, I didn't really like the course very much. I can't put my hand on why but I found it very unforgiving for a bad shot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,639 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    If stackstown is viable distance wise then Edmondstown or Newlands could be an option



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭FazyLucker


    I'm watching this thread (I hope OP you don't mind) as in a not too dissimilar situation - Edmondstown has a waiting list and Newlands has a load of people on their waiting list already interviewed so I'd say he'll be waiting for either.

    The only option I have come up with as viable is Grange Castle - but I believe it is over-subscribed and very difficult to get on the time sheets at peak times. I can't say I know that for a fact though, just a Google review where somebody said it'd be easier to get a trip to the moon than a round at the weekend or words to that effect!

    I've sort of gone away from joining somewhere again as I don't think I have the contacts to get in anywhere close by despite having the money to do so. But I'll keep a watching brief and see how the OP gets on here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭Russman


    Op, I would have thought your budget would allow for almost any club in South Dublin, bar maybe the likes of Castle, Milltown etc.

    Depending on where you're coming from and what exactly you're looking for, there's a lot of choice I think. Rathfarnham is about €6k joining I think, not sure about Edmondstown but I'd guess its similar. Likewise I'm not sure what Newlands is these days or if its full. At the other end of the scale and not quite down the N7 like Palmerstown, you'd have say Beech Park, Slade Valley, Lisheen etc. For me, it would be about balancing up what I can afford, with say, getting in somewhere that you need to be on a timesheet even to play 9 on a Thursday evening, versus somewhere maybe 10 minutes further away but you can rock up after work and just head out if you fancy it. Swings and roundabouts. I was only talking to my boss the other day about golf and asking him had he played on the Wednesday evening and he said no he wasn't on the sheet, I asked would he not just go up and get out and he was saying, no you wouldn't get out. I couldn't get my head round that tbh, I'm in a "lesser" club and we slightly struggle for members at times, but I can head up any summer evening and always get out for 6/9/18. There might be only 20 cars in the car park, so its both a strength and a weakness, but suits me perfectly.

    All that said, Hermitage is a super track, would happily play it week in week out !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭FazyLucker


    This is the debate I am having too.

    Do I spend an extra 15-20 minutes driving to a course where I know I can decide on a whim to go to play, but then again for every round in my case if I've to drive to Beech Park etc its an extra hour for every round of golf. Plus diesel for each round.

    I meant to say Rathfarnham is full also, I enquired there recently as well. I'd imagine OP you're options are (like mine) either join as a pavillion member somewhere and bide your time before ponying up a big joining fee plus an expensive sub - or you join somewhere a bit further out in a heart beat (e.g. Grange Castle, Beech Park) and suck it up that you've to drive a bit further to it - living in a city, you can't have everything!

    You also need to consider - if you live in South Dublin, Hermitage isn't exactly on your doorstep either and you might find you'll be in Beech Park or Lisheen Springs nearly as quickly.

    The only other real option is to join a club down the country and play in open comps - but that one is probably not a great option if you are working Monday-Friday.

    Anyway, I dont want to hijack your thread OP - just my tuppence.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Consider Castleknock, Luttrelstown or Lucan if centering in on that area.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    Thanks for all the contributions above - I don't mind you contributing at all FazyLucker as its a discussion board and good to get opinions and ideas, if it helps others in the same situation then great.

    I'm off next week for 2 weeks so might go around to the clubs and talk to them in the pro shops and offices - I find ringing them in some cases pointless because they can't get any feel for who they are talking to. If you can call to them, you might get a better feel.

    I'm definitely conscious that Hermitage isn't on my doorstep alright, and there is a valid argument that I might as well drive for a few minutes longer and get somewhere without a joining fee (e.g. Beech Park, etc) and more readily available golf. But I'm trying to be as green as possible and that is a consideration for me.

    I'll have a look around when I'm on annual leave but I'm all ears if anyone has any other thoughts in the meantime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Hermitage is not that exclusive anymore.

    Theres tradesmen's vans parked in the car park.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    Whoa, steady on - lets just be very clear. I never said anything about looking for exclusive, or not wanting to be in a club with tradesmen - and I don't see why anybody would have a problem with tradesmen being in a club in any case, exclusive or not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,001 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    You could ask them lads to park out of sight..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Macker1


    That's what occurred down at Knightsbrook in Trim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,639 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    It is a little further out the road, but if you're considering as far as Beech Park, Castlewarden should be on your list. Has a driving range, pitching area with practice bunkers, chipping and putting greens. Nice, well kept course with tricky greens and friendly membership.

    It's only about 10 mins further out the road than Newlands



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,001 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 995 ✭✭✭Ryder


    stackstown is quiet unforgiving and easy enough to come away with a lost ball from a shot only slightly off target......but very accessible timesheet, friendly members and reasonably easy to get to in the middle of south dublin more than balance it, for me at least



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    Is the main issue just they won't let you join

    Not without proposers and a lengthy 2 year wait even with that

    Even grangecastle has a long waiting list



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    I haven't even approached anywhere to ask them yet, so no. I am just scouting out my options and don't want to waste anybody's time - if I'm not genuinely interested in joining somewhere, I don't want to even ask the question.

    FYI - GC does not have a long waiting list, rather a very short one as I found out earlier.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    I can see why you would think that and I'd agree the people I played with were lovely and my kind of people. I just didn't like the course to be honest and to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    Christ, imagine asking people to park a van out of sight. In Trim of all places, its not exactly Dublin 4 you are in!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    They do have a waiting list, you could do a pay and play membership but it's bad value, that is the waiting list

    You won't be wasting anyone's time emailing them to find out if they have a waiting list

    The rest, you could be years as a pavilion member even, that's the real list

    It's a closed shop



  • Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭Kaisersosay


    Hermitage had all members using mats on the fairways last Winter if I'm not mistaken. That may or may not be important to you, but it would be a deal breaker for me.

    I lived in Rathmines and joined Carton House. Never used it after work. 30 minutes each way drive time.

    Hermitage is 10k entrance fee and 1620 per annum. The 10k can be split over a number of years. (Source: A Member but ring to confirm)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭the.red.baron


    and how much is carton house? did you need proposers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,721 ✭✭✭coillcam


    I played as a guest with a member and he said the sub was just north of €2k (2 years ago). He didn't mention a joining fee but said the €2k was excellent value for his circumstances. There were always tee time options on at least one of the two courses. Note to mention the top-class practice facilities and amenities. Not sure if there are any perks in the sub related to the use of non-golf amenities at Carton House. In terms of joining/proposers, he'd have had no issue as a businessman with connections and sponsored a couple of small comps too. For him, there were closer options for €1k but the two high-quality courses and facilities made it a no-brainer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,001 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    I never imagined I'd say this - but I have noticed, that the course that have a good winter course maintenance policy - normally are the best conditioned courses you ever play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 308 ✭✭FazyLucker


    I see this both ways, I agree that normally winter pain of playing off mats means once they are gone you'll be absolutely playing on the best tee boxes you'll ever play on.

    For me, I would absolutely HATE to play off mats all winter. I'd rather a course had a bad tee box or part of a tee box used for winter only rather than playing off mats.

    It would be a deal breaker for me too. I'm looking at Beech Park now myself, not sure if its full or not. I think I played it once before and loved it. Its 25 minutes each way from where I live. Grange Castle has less than 10 people on the waiting list (I rang to ask), so might stick my name on it. I might do like the OP is doing and do a bit of a spin around a few of the local courses, just to see what their expected waiting lists are, etc. No harm doing it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 398 ✭✭kod12


    Carton has gone up to over double now its now at €4.2k I think



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,721 ✭✭✭coillcam


    That's a fair wedge. I'd have my local club's joining fee and several years of a sub paid off with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Ollieboy


    Yes, they are trying to push members out and are down to 350 I was told. I think this year is 3.5k and going up again. Joining also involved. It was never a great members club but was good value in the last few years. I think standard green fee is up over 100



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,070 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    OP. Not sure why you say you live in south Dublin so local clubs are off limits. If Hermitage os on your radar, no reason why any of the South Dublin Clubs shouldn’t be. As in I imagine entry fee and subs are going to be on a similar scale.

    would be interested in knowing where you are actually based? I’m a member in a north Wicklow club and I’m speculating here based on chats with other members but I would say that there is easily 40% of members based in south Dublin…… I live even further the other side of the M50 toll. I’m 40 minutes away, it’s to far, but I’m a lifer there so it’s just a hit I take. But for most guys in around Blackrock, Cabinteely, Sandyford etc it’s no more than about 20 mins away which I think is a pretty fair commute to play golf. We would all like to live next door to our club but it’s just not possible, especially on the southside.

    I think you should list all the clubs within 30 mins drive of your house. They will all have merits and disadvantages. Rule some out straight away. Process of elimination there after. Make sure you play your chosen course a few times before dropping a big wedge. Go in and have bite to eat and few drinks in the bar etc to get a feel for the place. Look at what they do in terms of teams.

    you said you are willing to drop a good few sheckles on a joining fee, so in my opinion you should be looking at a proper old school club. It’s going to be a long term investment and somewhere like Grange Castle (no offence to them but it’s a different league) is not where you should be leaning. The older clubs are better clubs and generally maintained to a higher standard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,591 ✭✭✭blue note


    This makes perfect sense for the businesses, but is a real problem for ordinary member clubs. When times are bad the fancy clubs will slash their prices and the normal clubs will hemorrhage members to them on top of those they'd lose just due to them cutting back. It's a downside of the freedom golfers have now to move clubs every few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,070 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Well if there is a hefty joining fee as most well established (Dublin anyway) clubs have, then you are bringing in members who are making a commitment and likely to stay around

    the crash of the tiger saw such cheap membership subs with no joining fees, and special discounts for new members. It created the nomad golfer who jumped from one club to the next with no loyalty and wasn’t good for any of the clubs really.

    so freedom to move around is not a good thing IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Macker1


    @Seve OB I think freedom to move around is acceptable but if the golfer is a nomad it should come at a cost €€€ so that the commitment of golfers choosing to join a club is big decision that has implications to their wallet.

    I would like to see a more incentivized approach by clubs to reward the loyalty of members making a commitment to a club and sticking to it. It could be that the longer you remain a member that some additional benefits are awarded on a phased basis.

    It could be along the lines of a slight reduction in membership subs, extra credit at bar/restaurant, free lessons, use of the buggies, free range balls.

    Obviously it would have to be carefully worked out so that financially it makes sense for the club.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭left_hander


    @Seve OB thanks for all the input above. I am based in Terenure, on the Harold's Cross end of it. 

    I'm inclined to agree with you and maybe driving to golf is just something I have to suck up. That said, I'd gladly pay a few quid to avoid a "golf commute" a couple of times a week. I get that when electric cars become the norm the green issue goes away a lot but at the moment I do view it as a consideration also. 

    I'm in my late 30's so a joining fee doesn't bother me as it is a lifetime investment, assuming I live long enough to reap the benefit of it!🙂

    I could drive as far as Bray or Lisheen Springs for example but they are still 35 minutes in quiet traffic to get there from home, which totally rules out evening golf for the most part. The problem is, I've a young family so that extra hour makes it a longer weekly activity! 

    Hermitage is 20 minutes which was why it piqued my interest. I'm going to give this summer and autumn seeing if I can establish what exactly the situation is with many of the local clubs, and realistically how long it will take to get in - I suspect it'll be a 5+ year process which I might just have to wait and either join as pavillion or 5-day, or just sit it out and play somewhere else while I wait. 

    Thanks everyone for the input above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭benny79


    I would join The European club straight down the motorway & one of the best links courses in the country! A mate of mine is a member and he lives in Perry's Town



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,070 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Lol, the European is easily another hour onto his day so it’s a non runner. It’s not a really a club either is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,070 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB



    I guess where you are living is a bit of an issue because outside of early Saturday or Sunday morning really, the traffic is just going to make it a pain to get out even just as far as the M50.

    You have got Castle, Grange, Milltown & Elm Park almost on your doorstep, but I have no idea on joining them places and only ever played Castle & Elm Park which are 2 fine clubs and courses (Castle is better).

    A little bit further you have Edmondstown & Rathfarnham beside each other (to long since I played then but ok courses from recollection). Not to far from them is Stackstown which I actually don't mind. Lots don't like the hills on it, but I think it's a good option for you. Beside that there is Killmashogue which is a 9 hole that I haven't played and believe is not great. I don't think I have played Ballinascorney since they moved from Ballinascorney (which wasn't much better than alright).

    Out the Tallaght road there is Slade Valley but I'm personally not a fan. There is 1 very good golfer on here who lives in your neck of the woods and is a member of Lisheen which is a fine track. Stay away from Butter Mountain. It's a bit further to Tulfarris (nice resort course) and Blessington lakes (not a fan)

    As you are considering Hermitage, then lots of decent west Dublin courses very close, Newlands, Palmerstown, Naas, Castlewarden, Beech Park, Killeen, K Club (The Hibernian Club - K Club Straffan course and a cheap option), Carton House, Lucan. Probably wouldn't recommend anything further north than Castleknock or Luttrelstown with possibly Westmanstown as they are getting further away especially in traffic. Maybe at a push Margarets, Corrstown or Forest Little (stay away from Elm Green and Sillogue)

    Then you are left with further south. In Dublin you have Foxrock which is a fantastic 9 hole and Dub Laoghaire. You don't want to be looking at Leopardstown or Stepaside and I've never played Carrickmines but it's never really been spoken about. Woodbrook is a great old school club and lovely course.

    In north Wicklow you have great options in Powerscourt, Old Conna, Bray, Delgany, Greystones and Druids Glen right on your outside limit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭benny79


    My Mate does it in 20 mins 🤷‍♂️ It is very old school club. He won he club championship there last year!



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  • Administrators Posts: 54,110 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Pretty sure Leopardstown, Carrickmines and Stepaside don't even have mens membership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,070 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    if he is telling you that you are awful gullible to believe him. Googled it. 70 km from Perrystown. So he averages 210kmph to get there in 20 mins. 😂



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,197 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Lots of club choices listed OP, I'd phone em up and ask to go out with members to see does the course catch your eye. I'd start with Lucan and Hermitage as having played most of those courses they would be my choice (in that order)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,159 ✭✭✭benny79


    God you have way to much time on your hands 😂😂😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,113 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Post edited by Mantis Toboggan on

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,070 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    either that or i don't like the smell of bulls1t 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Luckycharm


    Edmonstown/Rathfarnham are decent courses about 20 mins from you both tight enough prob some kind of joining fee, Stackstown isn't that bad about 3/4 hilly holes rest are fine. Castle/grange/elm park/Milltown all have very big joining fees and waiting lists (due to location). Lisheen is about 25/30 mins away decent course, lucan is only a big further than Hermitage. I would be surprised if Hermitage didn't have a big joining fee and waiting list as well.

    Castleknock could be an option as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Stanley 1


    Exactly, it's a lot easier and quicker if you fly it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Stanley 1


    Usedto know a guy called, Paul Bray, very good amateur, who played out of Hermitage, anyone know what happened to him, did he go pro or what............



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,500 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    They’ll get a(nother) rude awakening at some point. The price gouging on tourists coming into the country will eventually bite and the tourism will drop off.



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