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Nigel Farage cries persecution, nobody wants to be his banker after ties to Russia

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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    According to an $8 tweet on twitter claiming to be farage, and a video of farage making highly selective claims about what the alleged document entails.

    One thing we know about the far-right, when they actually have evidence, they aren't shy with it. So why doesn't he publish it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's extraordinary that both Sunak and Braverman have come out on Twitter this evening defending Farage - given the common perception in Britain that he is a racist and xenophobe (the ones that flatly deny this are invariably racists and xenophobes themselves).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,617 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    If only they were the Prime Minister and Home Secretary respectively and could do something about it. Alas...

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Apart, of course, from the times when he was giving his ringing endorsement to antisemitic pieces of work; or when it came to tackling antisemitism within his own party



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,392 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I dunno, seems unsurprising given this iteration of UK Conservatives have nothing to offer except cruelty, racism and xenophobia; stands to reason they'd decide to side with noted racist Nigel Farage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,231 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    He suspended and kicked people out of the Labour Party who were merely accused of anti-semitism. That's not the actions of an anti-Semite. He's also marched against right wing anti-semites (real ones) like the National Front and has come to blows with them too. He's been in the fight against anti-semitism since the 70's.

    But yeah, he failed to scrutinise some gobshite's mural in detail and is vocal about his support for Palestinian rights, so we'll just call him "anti-semitic" irrespective of whether he is or not.

    🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Back to downplaying every time m St Jeremy let the mask slip again? Carry on if it keeps you happy.

    Its patently clear, that just like Farage and his far-right wing it supporters, Corbyn has the same level of dogmatic supporters who will deny that he ever, anywhere, did anything wrong no matter what



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,953 ✭✭✭Shoog


    I think you have swallowed starmers narrative a bit to eagerly. There were long standing procedures to deal with antisemitism and it was starmers boys who were delaying most of the cases from been resolved to use as ammunition.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,617 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Despite what's being claimed repeatedly:

    Anyone claiming that Farage is being denied basic banking is being disingenuous. He's acted in a completely dishonest way about this which fits in with his narratives about Brexit, climate change and everything else.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It would surely have been unthinkable ten years. Farage has never really disguised the fact that UKIP and the Brexit Party were far right parties in the same way as the Front Nationale in France and the AfD in Germany. What on earth Sunak and Braverman are doing getting involved in this grifter's private spat with a bank is anyone's guess.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,231 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There's nothing "saintly" about Corbyn. But there's also nothing "anti-semitic" about him either.

    For all his faults, being an anti-semite is not one of them, despite the scurrilous shite talk that's been spread about him.



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    Anyone claiming that Farage is being denied basic banking is being disingenuous.

    Nobody has claimed that.

    The document reveals that Farage is being denied banking services due to his political beliefs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,619 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Just got his ar*e handed to him on the BBC, kept trying to goad the bank representative into making claims, but they just stuck to the report that the account wasn't seen as viable after the mortgage was paid off.

    Farage also started shouting each time when it was pointed out that this was for banking services, not a bank account.

    Funny to watch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    He's being denied a privilege, not a right, TLDR.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,231 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I think a lot of folk on here don't really understand the type of bank that Coutts is. We're talking about an elite institution that has very strict criteria that one has to pass in order to do business with them and that includes an...ahem..."irreproachable character" and a certain credit fluidity to the tune of millions. Both criteria which Coutts as determined Farage doesn't meet.

    And all of his whinging about "persecution", etc, is not going to change that. The bottom line is that the private, elitist, institution that Farage has aspired to has rejected him. An elitist institution, by the way, that wouldn't even entertain an application for an account from anyone on this thread.

    Forgive me if I cannot find it within myself to spare some tears for poor old Nigel and his untoward aspirations.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,509 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Some US analogs to Coutts:

    Willing to bet there are even a few others that prefer not to be advertised. And the rest, I assume, are churches, (because of course they are but that's a total other matter)



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Coutts don’t exactly make a secret of how picky they are.

    Minimum £3m savings or else borrow over £1m from them to be considered for an account


    Don’t pass that test - then it’s a very polite PFO






  • Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭Kevrano


    What does he hope to achieve by all of this? By its very nature, Coutts aren't going to bow to public pressure and other private client banks won't go near him now. The man is a fool



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There must be some reason the grifter has gone public with all this. Well known people don't usually start airing their finances and private banking details all over social media - it's nearly unheard of.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,487 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Well, that's a bit of an oversimplification.

    In the first place, the document makes it clear that the concern for the bank is not the beliefs themselves, but the public perception of Farage's beliefs. If Farage kept his beliefs to himself the bank would be unconcerned about them. Presumably many other Coutts customers hold odious beliefs of one kind or another; Coutts neither knows nor cares. It is the publicity that Farage has given his beliefs, and the reaction that has triggered, that worry the bank.

    Secondly, the bank is not concerned with whether the public perception of Farage's beliefs is correct or fair. They express no opinion about this, one way or the other. All that the bank cares about is that the public perception is real. It's the reality of the public perception, irrespective of its accuracy or fairness, that threatens damage to the bank's reputation.

    Thirdly, the public perception of Farage's beliefs are that they are racist, xenophobic, antisemitic, pro-Russian, anti-LGBT. You can characterise racism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc as "political beliefs" if you want. That doesn't validate, excuse or defend them, and it doesn't magically confer some kind of protection on them; "political beliefs" are not one of the protected grounds in the UK's equality legislation (except in NI). (Maybe they should be; that's a debate that might be worth having. It's not primarily a debate about banking, though.)

    Finally, it should be noted that the bank's financial criteria for its customers are relevant here. There has been much discussion of the fact that you have to deposit at least £x or borrow at least £y before Coutts will accept you as a customer. The Coutts dossier makes it clear that Farage did qualify under these criteria because he had a mortgage with them of the required amount, but that mortgage was due for repayment in July 2023. From that point on, Farage would no longer qualify. The dossier was prepared because the bank was considering whether it wished to retain him as a customer after he ceased to qualify. (Presumably this question arises with many customers, and the bank has a process for addressing it.)

    On edit:

    It seems to me that if there's an issue here, it's not really about Farage's beliefs or his right to hold them; but about free speech. The bank isn't dumping Farage because he holds odious beliefs, but because he expresses them — publicly, repeatedly and controversially. That's what causes the bank a problem; that's what leads them to decline his further custom. So if this is something that engages political rights, it's a freedom of speech/freedom of expression matter.

    The classic view of freedom of speech is that it's a principle that constrains the actions of the state. (With lots of exceptions which we needn't go into here) the law or the state can't restrain you from speaking or punish you for speaking. But another private citizen can respond to your speech by exercising their own freedom of speech to contradict you or criticise you, or exercise their own freedom of association by refusing to have anything to do with you. I may have the freedom to say objectionable things, but you have the freedom to throw me out of your house if I do. Or, relevantly, not to do business with me.

    If Coutts was a state-owned bank there might be an issue here about whether an agency of the state was violating Farage's freedom of speech. But, obviously, that's not the case.

    Or, if banking regulations operated to either require or encourage Coutts to refuse Farage's business on account of the views he expresses then, again, we'd be looking at state action. But, again, that's not the case.

    Farage says that there's an "establishment conspiracy" to refuse him banking service in order to drive him out of the UK. That's an astonishingly stupid suggestion for several reasons that are too obvious to detail here. So why would he try to frame the matter in these terms? I think because he's trying to suggest an equation between "the establishment' and "the government" so as to suggest that his freedom of speech is being infringed by the state in a way that liberals would object to.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,487 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    It's his MO. Farage courts controversy. This is a controversy. Therefore he embraces it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭Rawr


    As described here and mentioned on Newsnight, he’s only worth their while until he’s paid off the mortgage. By deduction, does that then mean that Farage had failed to maintain the minimum 3m in savings, which is the other rule for having a Coutts account? Also based on the description of a bank that seems to essentially be a company of banking butlers who’ll do all your banking for you, and will even visit you, so I can understand why they might want to insist on financial minimums to make any of that worth their effort.

    Really feels like poor old Nigel simply can’t stomach the idea of having a Premium NatWest account. An account where Banking Butlers likely don’t come to his house and describe all the financial shenanigans they’ve pulled off with his portfolio, but instead he probably have to log into an online bank to manage his accounts himself, just like the rest of us (and likely just like a lot of people who were *successfully* elected as MPs).

    Man of the People indeed. Him throwing out “but the banks are woke!” at the end of that Newsnight bit just smacked as pathetic.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,471 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Exactly - I gave an analogy earlier in the thread which fits here.

    I used to travel a lot for business in pre-covid days - consistently well over 100 days a year in Hotels plus lots of long haul flights etc.

    As a result I had the highest level of "preferred" status with multiple Airlines , Hotel chains , Car rental firms etc. meaning that I got loads of extra services - Fast track access at the airport , choice of seats , 1st group to board , Free room upgrades , free breakfast and all that stuff.

    However , since Covid my travel has all but stopped completely and as a result I've lost all my status privileges with all the Travel firms, because I'm no longer generating enough revenue for the various companies.

    I can still fly any where I want , stay in any hotel I want and rent any car I want - I'm just not treated differently to anyone else anymore.

    Nigel Farage can still do all the things he wants in terms of banking , he just won't have a personal "financial butler" anymore.

    Really playing to his man of the people reputation here isn't he.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,615 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    A bit surprised to see some posters defending a bank's decision to deny certain services to a potential customer based on public perceptions of that customer and their potential impact on business.

    I'd imagine that if, say, Bernie Sanders were being treated in the same way as a certain bank wanted nothing to do with 'socialism' or 'woke' or whatever, I'd expect things to be different. Well actually, I'd expect the arguments to be much the same, but the posters making them to be different.

    Farage is scum, and it's there's definitely a part of me that enjoys his piteous bleating about this, but it still doesn't sound right, and there does seem to be a sense that people are defending some pretty dodgy principles on the part of the the bank, just because it's Farage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭Kevrano


    Yep, and as @Peregrinus mentions, it's seems that now he has paid his mortgage off, he no longer qualifies for a Coutts account. That's it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭Kevrano


    The issue is, he longer qualifies for the services he expects. They have offered him an alternative and he isn't happy with that. Also, it's not his views per se, but that fact he is so public about them. Coutts don't want to be in the press for any reason, but if they capitulate to him, they risk losing far more lucrative customers



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,953 ✭✭✭Shoog


    I very much doubt you would see the same response from Sanders supporters. Ultimately a private business has freedom to pick and choose their customers within the limits of the law. No law has been broken so it's really end of story.

    Reputation is the primary asset of a elite business and defending it is the primary duty of the directors.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,615 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    My point is that if some bank did remove services from Sanders because they didn't want reputational damage from associating with woke socialists, I don't think we'd have the same posters on here arguing that it's just a business decision, bank needs to protect their reputation, no laws broken, end of story really.

    What Coutts appear to have done sounds dodgy to me, and it doesn't stop being dodgy just because they did it to somebody I don't like.



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