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Foundation (Apple) [** SPOILERS **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,360 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    One things confusing me about the episode, Gaal shows the timelines blue and red, however the blue timeline shows no crisis bubbles happening beyond the first one but we know Hari had planned for and expected more to happen along the blue planned timeline?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I put it down to gross simplification crossed with the writer's of this show insisting on Gaal being the Only One who can save the Foundation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    I was thinking a crisis meant, for Gaal and Hari, that the foundation plan was in danger while the blue would see it through.

    If that is what blue was about, as I remember, it would mean crisis stuff could happen but probably in a way that would lead to the end of empire and the avoiding of the dark age.. ages? .. they were trying to avoid. That with the red line and the crisises.. there was mention of worser dark ages than the one they were originally trying to avoid by going the blue route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,360 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Well if that's the case they are again completely deviating from the books in which there were expected crisises in Haris plan the whole way through the foundations existence that if they fail to succeed in the foundation will likely fall, after each one a hologram of him appeared in the vault to explain the significance of what they went through.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,030 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    The books are in the bin since about half-way through the first series.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie


    Yes have varied very far from the source material. And introducing the below in spoiler, is way to soon.

    Having 'The Mule', been shown as a future preview, really takes away from the Mystery of who he is for later seasons.

    Foundation Season 2 could fix the worst thing about the Isaac Asimov books

    We’ll get there, hopefully, but when the Mule shows up, we will have earned the Mule.

    Have they achieved that?

    What I don't understand is they say in episode the 'The Second Foundation' wasn't formed yet, but then go looking for the planet it is on?

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,030 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    That first linked article in your spoiler is so bizarre. The Foundation series was flawed because it started as a series of short stories? Confused the reader? Nope worked perfectly fine. In any case people who haven't read the books seem to be enjoying the show so good luck to them. I watched episode 1 of this new season just to double-check and yep, from my point of view, still generally horse sh1t. So I won't be watching anymore. Lee Pace is good and the empire side of the story was done well in season 1. Only problem being that almost everything else was terrible imo so not worth watching it just for one small part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,360 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    They have diverged from the books a fair bit but the cult of scientism is a core part of how the foundation begins to expand in the books and as they are using the same names like Bel Riose for the General and Hober Mallow im guessing we will see some roots in the books for how the rest of the season develops,

    But I agree the Mule as a known entity has been produced far too early, the shadow of his future effects would be far more ominous to have used until later episodes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Holt McCallany, what a legend! He was great in Mindhunter! His charisma this episode captured all the scenes he was in!


    2.2: Oh this story is pulling me right in. Definitely feels like there's some big action going to be coming up. I said it almost feels like a four dimensional story at this point. Not that I didn't note some weak points.

    The story feels like it's incorporating time in a really cool way. Not just messing about with a future line but also back but like.. where messing back doesn't feel as precarious to the future messer.

    That baddie, at first I was guessing was an AI of somekind but Gaal said a telepath. Maybe a telepathic AI. I dunno.

    The Hober Mallow thing seems to be a threat to wipe out Empire easily but the crisis that leads humanity all the wrong way to this baddie.

    Can't believe they killed off Holt McCallany so soon. Big message about Hober Mallow to the foundation/audience I guess.

    The weak points I felt were Salvor on the ship in the sky.. I'm going with the idea of maybe the lack of wind could be explained from inertia dampeners. Feels right for the level of tech empire had in season one. The other weak point was the planet the foundation was recruiting on. Very cheap looking set.. almost looked like a stage play.. kinda was for the recruitment ceremony.. though I'm hoping that meant they were saving money for space battles to come.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭PhiloCypher


    Really enjoy this show. It can be clumsy in its broadstroke world building like the mechanic of having Salvor and Gaal spend time in stasis pods to make sure they're still alive when we kick off season 2 138 years later. But in its more intimate scenes and especially in its 'Empire' scenes they've been incredibly deft in how they've used Queen Seraphs precociousness as a audience proxy to dig into the ramifications of Cleon the 17ths decisions and how its perceived in the wider Empire.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Episode 2 I really enjoyed: even the Gail and Salvor was kinda compelling, both characters not quite as annoying as before. The Foundation stuff was intriguing and I dug the idea of branding Harry's entire philosophy as cod mysticism, the divergence already seen in how Foundation runs itself.

    And of course, as always the high point was everything around Empire; all the little world building moments, the characters dancing around each other in that vein of court intrigue. All good stuff. Also like how impossibly far into the future we must already be, that the "old fashioned way" of Empires lineage itself lasted for millennia.

    The show also looks so good at times; the rural planet was a bit stagey but damn the FX work in this has been quite stellar in places. I wonder if there's more Ireland based production this time again?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie


    Getting more far fetched.

    And the twist at the end, takes it even further away from the source story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,360 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    The **** was that ending.....

    IMO the non vault Harry is a robot now and im wondering if Kalle is also a robot and instead of Demerzel that Kalle is R.Daneel Olivaw, the isolation fits with how Daneel lives through the empires fall.




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    Man episode 2 looked bloody cheap. Sets, lighting, and cinematography all looked absolutely like cheap sci fi



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭nachouser


    At least we'll be spared acts of Heliconian Twisting every 10 minutes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie


    "If you ride a greti, you find you can't get off; for then it will eat you."



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,237 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    Don't mind me, just being in Episode 1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,707 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Oh wow that's awesome, fair play. How was the experience? Tell more!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Sweet - that's a more interesting story than the whole thread. Go for it!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    2.3: Oh but the space special effects on this show are just so good! Still guessing a big battle is coming up too. Has to be!

    What this Hober Mallow is leading to.. haven't a clue.

    That 20th fleet though! What could take on such a massive armada. Maybe they'll do something like what happened in Russia recently though. Mad if that plays out in a similar way.

    Feels like 3 Haris possibly on the go now. Foundation 1 (original, melded with ship), Foundation 2 (clone) and Oona's World (digital)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,360 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    The way they have set up Bel Riose new back story and the way the trantor politics and mistrust are developing im guessing they might come quite close to following the resolution from the books for this crisis.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Episode 3 & the usual comments apply: Empire plotline, good! Gaal plotline, rubbish!

    However, a challenger appears: Poly! I'm immediately down for this guy's energy; a "rough around the edges" priest who doesn't take any shít. Always appreciate those kind of characters who have seen too much to put up with airs & graces anymore. Even his assistant had a nice mix of sass and deference. I'd like to see more of them.

    Not even gonna touch the ending 'til I get more context. I presume Harry is

    Now a robot?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    I may be a bit lost on the Harri, Gaal, savor story and I feel like I might sort of understand things but would appreciate any clarification . Maybe I’m not paying attention enough and forgot some of sesson one. The following are spoilers for anybody who isn’t up to date so don’t read on.

    The box is really confusing me. So this is like a holographic machine that holds all harries memories etc and can project him (like rimmer in red dwarf). It’s also an app (of sorts) that shows his map of when catastrophes will happen, like instructions for on what to do when. But only Gaal can open it and Savor the box in foundation planet? Seems odd to give the instructions for your plan to two people, which would suggest that harri knew the future so knew that his messangers would not die.

    It’s not clear that it tells the future , but it looks like it has some way of predicting things. When Gaal/Savor interact , it’s like an update to the app and it can factor in the whatever knowledge is shared.

    And somebody , like a witch , has used the memory box to respawn harri. Is that about right? If sim harri knows what’s gonna happen he’s pretending not to , possibly to not influence Gaal/Savor (who may act differently if they know harri has future answers, maybe they have to learn this for themselves?)

    Gaal can see into future , so it’s possible she can see things before they happen, but it looked like she was nearly interacting in the future. So if Salvor can see into the past, is there a chance she can also interact and actually give harri (and/or the cube) the foresight of predictions? It seems like Hari knows empire will fall, not thinks, but knows. Maybe that’s just factoring in that all empires do eventually fall, but given the past/future powers of Gaal/Savor it could be that he actually knows that he will fall and that they need to influence certain events (which is effectively what the cube harri is doing, bringing them on to fulfill their destiny roles?

    This would make sense to me as I have no clue how hologram harri and the box are so intuitively able to figure out the next step. Even when it’s in pergatory for decades, it seems like it can get straight up to speed easily

    And then we have empire who is clearly staring to diverge from “the plan” which seemed to be all about continuity and being predictable. But day wants to get married. Could the terrorists who poisoned the genes in S1 of succeeded?

    Also , the empire didn’t give a f**k about foundation while it was small and possibly even gone. But once it starts making waves, like an opponent invading smaller planets but building itself, empire is starting to show interest and send this exiled general to check things out.

    The machine that killed warden jaeggar fount (Holt), is that basically a more advanced version of the box and killing your man was an overly dramatic way to get the followers to find the lad it wanted? So it’s kind of like there is a trip switch on the machine , there’s a defensive mechanism that keeps people away until salvor sort of turns that off. Then it becomes sort of a shrine until it needs to do stuff and take foundation to another level or through a crisis?

    Am I kind of right? I feel like there’s stuff I’m missing?

    I love this show but there’s times when I’m wondering if I’m not following.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,360 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Well episode 4 is just a filler episode with literally no forward progression of any storylines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie


    @VinLieger Well episode 4 is just a filler episode

    Agreed just moving characters around and getting them in place for future episodes.

    Nothing about Gaal, Salvor and Hari as a lifeform (/Robot?)! So have to wait till next week.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 17,994 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Interesting that season one of this show (and likely season 2) cost $45 million and looks like they spent it well. Whereas 'Secret Invasion ' cost multiples of that and didn't look half as good. Shows how budgets can be managed efficiently.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I dunno, I liked Episode 4 'cos it gave all the main characters who aren't either Gaal or Empire a chance to be fleshed out; sometimes it's nice to stop and just assess where everyone is for a while. Certainly I walked away with a better understanding of folks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭Damien360


    If they had this just about Empire, I would be delighted. Love the interplay between the 3 and their "guests" and staff. Really struggling with the Harry arc of the story, especially when he turns up. He may be central to the Foundation but his story is too loose and his acting is iffy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,357 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Disappointed. Dialogue and plot a bit cheesy. First season was better.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    2.4: Something about the way this episode ended and I was thinking it had me feeling it was in the middle of an epic tale. Good work! 🙂

    Let no being presume upon my mercy!

    So... hmmm..

    The war is going to happen, it needs to delay a bit, there's a mechanism to replace the religion, something to me felt a bit AI in the future, maybe that's something to lead a fight against empire, though maybe it gets out of control and that's the visions Gaal was having.

    hmmmm.. who knows 🙂

    Enjoying this show



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    2.5: Oh! I like these!

    Mentalists she called herself/themselves I think. Reminded me a little of what I remember of the Babylon 5 psychics. Though that kind of deep voice thing felt new. A bit like Dune voice. Though I'm not sure if she was being controlling with it.

    Kinda now that vision of the future is a bit in the air. Since perceptions can be changed by this lot.

    Hmmmmmm...

    Anyway.. Empire and Dominion becoming clearer now. Looks like there'll be something of a red wedding type of thing happening on Trantor.


    Oh and shoutout for the still most excellent set designs and practical and computer effects. The hard scifi feel in this episode was strong. There was one scene where Jared Harris was washing his face and I was just delighted the set around him felt so solid scifi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie


    ^^^ @Slydice

    Looks like they are going to have difficulties setting up the 'Second Foundation'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    I love when you forget to watch the show and see this thread and realise “I have 2 episodes pending” for this and Star Trek new worlds




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Yeah not so sure about Episode 5; just something didn't click for me. Though the suggestion maybe the other Cleons could be a source of strife is intriguing, alongside yet another mystery thrown in the pile.

    So did that episode confirm Dominion's family and

    That Empire had them killed, or was that known already? Seemed a very throwaway line to have that admitted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Your spoiler has been mentioned by the women a few times. That's why they are there. Day just confirmed it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Just shows how little I've been paying attention, apparently!

    (Though I will make a limp excuse that this show sometimes indulges that modern habit of mumbled dialogue and a more natural soundmix to down play the vocals' clarity.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,357 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Episode 5 of season two was the first episode in this season where everything seem to gell and come together. Less sense of cheese and forced dialogue. God it took its time though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Slydice

    Mentalists

    ^^ Max Maven (above), Derren Brown ~~ https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/mentalism/articles/top-famous-mentalists/

    Mentalics

    ^^ Wanda Sheldon (above) and 'The Mule'.

    In the novels Wanda was Hari's granddaughter.

    Hari comes to realise that Salvor is essentially his granddaughter since she is Raych's child.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Cool, thanks. I think I was rushing and didn't go back to check the spelling. It's there in the subtitles as you have it.

    I'd be half guessing that they'd be really useful to a second foundation. I don't think I've noticed that kind of power in the show before so it feels rare and feels like it could tip a balance in confrontations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie


    About Hari:-

    Seems strange they give him life in episode 3, only to possibly to kill him off again now. If a robot and not a clone, he wont drown.

    Also the de-aging for flash back scenes wasn't great.

    @VinLieger

    David S. Goyer, the show’s executive producer, confirmed in a Reddit AMA that Demerzel is R. Daneel Olivaw.[10] Originally, the production was not allowed to use the name due to the rights to the name being held by Fox. However, Goyer made a personal appeal to the head of Fox and it was agreed that the name could be used in a limited number of circumstances.[11]

    So your theory about her is wrong.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    2.6: Wow..

    I'm not crying, you're crying!!😭😭😭

    What a phenomenal introduction of a character and a devastating story.

    Bereft


    Ehm..

    I think other things happened in the episode. The new empress making her speech. Really great face acting by Terrence Mann, Brother Dusk, in his reaction to it.

    Eh, the mentalics, I dunno. Maybe Gaal has to takeover and become for them something like what Hari is for Terminus. The kid she befriended might help her, I dunno.

    Hmmm... I guess there's a maybe question of who the dude in the hat was that turned up before Yanna was taken away


    and, of course, the great special effects of the space ships and planets.. you know.. just there because that's where they need to be.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,487 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I see nobody has replied to this yet, so if it's still relevant to you...

    The box is called the Prime Radiant. Think of it as a highly advanced version of a mathematician's blackboard in the movies, covered with formulae. It projects a visual representation of the mathematics, that's the "pattern" which you see with the various crises, branches and so on. If they were to zoom in many thousands of times, you would see that the 'pixels' are actually mathematical formulae. Remember, psychohistory is a mathematical assessment of probability. I don't recall that the prime radiant was ever properly explained in the show, but that's what it is. In the books it was really just a combination workspace and projector, that it was a complicated enough machine to contain a consciousness is a deviation for the Apple TV variant.

    It was mentioned briefly in S2Ep 2, but the reason the radiant wasn't given to many people was that psychohistory is premised on natural actions. If people knew the maths, then they would be affected by their knowledge of the future and thus immediately undermining that maths. Again, it is a deviation for the show that one Psychohistorian (Gaal) was to be sent to Terminus with a Prime Radiant. In the books, there were no psychohistorians at all. (They were in the Second Foundation). The second foundation's job is to make changes to the mathematics to reflect real-universe deviations from the originally determined probabilities and to take actions which will keep The Plan unfolding as intended. This is, in effect, what Gaal/Hari/Salvor are doing with the "updates to the cube" which you observe.

    I'll pass on the Hari respawn as I haven't gotten to an episode which explains it yet. The entire Hari arc is a deviation from the books, where he dies of old age at his desk on Trantor. (And married a historian, not a mathematician).

    The Empire diverging from the Empire's plan, you are correct. You are also correct that the Empire didn't care about the Foundation until it started incorporating other planets, this matches with the books (though the details differ somewhat. In the show, the Empire thought the Foundation was destroyed, in the books, the Empire thought the Foundation was just a group of Encyclopaedists archiving knowledge somewhere safe and thus not worth worrying about). In both the book and the show, Bel Riose is sent to bring the expansionist foundation to a heel.

    The Vault, which killed the warden (which I thought was overall a bit out of character) is not quite the same as the Prime Radiant, though apparently it does have the ability to hold Hari's consciousness which presumably has access to a radiant anyway. The purpose of it is really to reassure the Foundationers that they are on the correct course and to explain to them just what happened. In the books, the vault had no consciousness, it was just a chamber which played recordings Hari had made when he was alive. The recordings were on a timer. On one occasion, the recordings played when nobody was around, on another it was entirely incorrect. In the show, because the Vault contains Hari's consciousness, it can perform a slightly more interactive role in resolving the crisis, but the crisis itself and its resolution are still primarily brought about by the inevitability of psychohistory. The vault will only open for a crisis.

    It is a kind of shrine to the Foundation, but not in the religious sense. More like The Alamo or the GPO. The religious aspect you see with the two Brothers is a mechanism the Foundation used to spread its influence, the Foundation itself (and even the Brothers) have faith in Psychohistory and Seldon as a science, but not in the deity context. The religious aspect was actually used in the books to solve the first crisis, but again, TV show deviations.

    Hope that helps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,360 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Manic Moran Again, it is a deviation for the show that one Psychohistorian (Gaal) was to be sent to Terminus with a Prime Radiant.

    Male in the books and did have the Prime Radiant bequeathed to him.

    After the exile, he carried the crisis tapes recorded by Hari Seldon to Terminus. He also oversaw the construction and installation of the Time Vault. Gaal Dornick became one of the key workers with Stettin Palver on Seldon's Plan, reporting directly to Seldon on its progress as they refined it. After Seldon's death, he moved to Terminus. Seldon's own version of the Prime Radiant was bequeathed to him and shipped after Seldon's death. Since no Prime Radiant appears later in the First Foundation, it is likely that Dornick did not stay permanently on Terminus.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,487 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I sit somewhat corrected, the gist is still valid. It is explicitly stated in the books that the Foundation operated without the aid of psychohistorians. To quote Trevize: "I am not a psychohistorian. Nor is any member of the Foundation government, nor any citizen of Terminus, nor any..." Indeed, during his appearance after the First Crisis, the recording of Seldon states: "The terms I use are at best mere approximations, but none of you is qualified to understand the true symbology of psychohistory". The best reading seems to be that Gaal was detached for the setting up of the colony (more importantly, the setting up of the Vault with Seldon's recordings), but only for that purpose and not to work there.

    In Second Foundation, The Student explains the problems of the Foundation even knowing that the Plan can be guided and changed, let alone having anyone that can read it: "As long as they knew the existence of a Seldon Plan, without knowing any of the details thereof, they were confident but uncertain. They knew they would succeed, but didn't know when or how. There was, therefore, a continuous atmosphere of tension and strain - which was what Seldon desired. The First Foundation, in other words, could be counted upon to work at maximum potential. [...] But now, Speaker, they know [...] that an agency exists which watches their every step and will not let them fall. So they abandon their purposeful stride and allow themselves to be carried upon a litter. [...] And that very abandonment of effort; that growing inertia; that lapse into softness and into a decadent and hedonistic culture, means the ruin of the Plan."

    When The Student hears that the First Foundation is trying to create psychologists (Defined in this context as experts in the application of psychohistory), "Then all is over. It is the basic incompatibility with the Plan".

    There is a quote in one of the books, I can't seem to find it right now, where first Foundationers observe that the omission of psychohistorians in the creation of the Foundation, despite it being the core cause of the Foundation, must have been a deliberate decision. I think it's in "Second Foundation", but I'm not having much luck flipping through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭corkie


    Don't know anymore where there going with this due to Deaths. Why have characters around just to kill them of unnecessarily?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,360 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Ive been wondering this with a lot of shows recently and feel some writers and show runners are trying to recreate an air of uncertainty similar to what GoT had and are literally as you say just putting in characters so they can be pointlessly killed to initiate some kind of Ned Stark or red wedding shock value while missing the point that while sudden and unexpected those deaths were vital to the story while these side character deaths are not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    2.7: This was so well done as an episode. The tech, the scenes, the space, the story, the dialogue.

    Big battle coming up. Then that ending.

    Hmmmm. I mean like, the future can be changed so that's a maybe dead Salvor but... that ending was very abrupt.

    I'm half guessing this will be Gaals excuse to take out that leader and assume leadership herself. Second Foundation sorted. Could be right at the start of the next episode in time to save Salvor. Or not. Dunno... but... that ending was very abrupt.

    This show feels so fresh!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    The absolute look on empires face with the family stories! 😁🤣



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