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Enough is enough? Dublin north inner city crime

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I read somewhere that one of Leo's first tasks when he visited Ukraine was to apologise to a Ukrainian actor who got attacked on a Dublin street while working in the Gaiety theatre. The city centre has been dire for many years now. I don't know how the local population live with it.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭francois


    Once again the tedious strawman woke makes a weary appearance on Boards



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭tesla_newbie


    Indeed as the gangs involved in rural crime are set to be further protected under new hate crime legislation



  • Registered Users Posts: 646 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    Not good life changing injuries for victim

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0721/1395745-violence-city-centre/



  • Registered Users Posts: 907 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    So Jim O'Callaghan actually gives us some facts around the shortfall in Gardai recruitment, whilst McEntee continues her Iraqi Minister of Information routine.

    Plus ça change.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    That area has been bad for years.

    Wasnt there a Donegal Supporter beaten to death the night of the all ireland final in 1992 around the top of O Connell street by local thugs .



  • Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    A Mayor of Dublin elected by the people with actual single handed power and control of what happens in the city would bypass all of that

    if someone were to run on the ticket of cleaning up the city and giving it back to the law abiding vast majority they would be a shoe in



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Augme



    They'd also be full of **** too. Electing people based on something they csnt deliver is never the smartest approach, but unfortunately is a common successful approach.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    Owen Keegan is as useful as a chocolate teapot as city manager.

    Amongst all these problems he actually had the audacity to propose a 19 million euro outdoor White Water Rafting centre at George's Dock and think it was actually going to work. This was born out of a personal interest and he wasn't far off getting it through.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/man-behind-dublins-23m-white-water-raft-project-is-veteran-kayaker/38763521.html

    It would never have worked with the feral scum about the place and would have been a white elephant and huge sums

    The same man opposes gathering data on derelict sites and buildings. Again - what is the interest?

    Like these are the types of clowns running the city.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    I don't understand the opposition to an elected mayor with enhanced powers on law and order.

    Surely anything is better than what we have now!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,845 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Unfortunately this is what happens when people are promoted way beyond their ability and for no other reason than optics and party politics.

    McEntee as Justice Minister is something that should never have happened in the first place. She is someone who spends more time grandstanding in the media about woke nonsense, importing more problems to keep the NGO lobbyists busy and funded and then legitimising it with citizenship ceremonies, and is far more concerned with trying to legislate for hurt feelings than tackling the growing criminal elements at all levels - resulting in Gardai (understandably) saying "feck this" and leaving the force. But the problem there also is allocation of resources and optics - constant tweets about their latest speeding busts on motorways but rarely about about far more serious crime.

    The worst thing is this woman may make Taoiseach yet - wait and see, and just like Leo V before her it'll be hailed as a shining example of how far we've come while the country slides further into the abyss.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I'd say it's a complex matter with Dublin and Irish society. Increases of poverty, lack of perspectives for young people, unaffordable properties within their lifetime, high cost of living and food prices, the past pandemic with all the restrictions, I'd say that's all a bit too much for some people.

    And then there is the lack of CCTV, the lack of police officers in the inner city, or the lack of funding of the police.

    The problem is also that the recent beating of a US tourist was totally unprovoked. He was visiting Dublin before several times.

    I share your experience written in your statement and often think that Dublin lost it's value in terms of quality of living. Tourists visting as well as people wanting to live in Dublin and buy property don't get any value anymore.

    Hotel prices are often higher than even in London, (70 Euros for a bunk bed in a hostel?), buying property is rather expensive, and for that, what do you get? Unsafe streets? Falling prey to youth gangs while out on the streets? or other unprovoked attacks? Drug problems here and there? Overpriced prices of beer in a central Dublin pub? Endless students queues for a viewing for just one room in shared housing?

    And yes, then there is the attitude "other cities are having that as well". Sadly this won't get Dublin anywhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,383 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Here is the response from a GP cllr, Janet Horner:

    https://twitter.com/TonightVMTV/status/1682159986879676416


    • Policing is not the only solution
    • More resources for sports and youth programmes
    • More resources for creative outlets
    • This happens more when school is not in session
    • Give young people alternative ways to spend their time


    Yet again, over and over, the socialists imply that the criminals have no agency, that the criminals were somehow forced to do these crimes by society's inactions.

    We spend millions on all sorts of youth work / social work / sports.

    More spending on that will not affect these criminals, as they are criminals, by definition they don't care.


    This cllr never mentioned that the solution might involve these young people and their parents from choosing to stop committing crime, and deciding to join society like the rest of us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,774 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    You think a directly elected mayor would make a difference when it comes to law and order? This isn't the US. A mayor here will never have the power to finance, resource and direct the Gardai etc.

    Quite simply, there aren't enough Gardai. We'd need to triple or quadruple the size of the force, and that's not realistic. And even if we had a force 4 times the size it is currently, individual Gardai are operating with their hands tied behind their back when dealing with teenage scum. The scum get a slap on the wrist if they get caught and if they do something very serious, jail doesn't seem to be a deterrent. It's like par for the course.

    Warning. Nonsense shyte talking below.

    I'm not calling for this but this would be a good deterrent. Once you get ten convictions, the punishment will be two broken legs. And for every further conviction you get, two more broken legs. Eventually the person will stop committing crime or will be unable to commit crime because their legs will be fcuked.

    That's the only language that feral scum understand.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭donaghs




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Most areas would be delighted to have even a tenth of such resources already available in the North inner city of Dublin.


    Those communities would be largely peaceful ones, so in theory you could argue that the excess resources already there are part of the problem.


    It's a values, a sub culture problem, like most issues in society



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭Kalimah


    If I hear about more resources one more time I'll scream. The softly softly approach won't work. These thugs are not part of civilised society and never will be. They don't want to be, so they need to be excluded. My solution is chain gangs and hard labour - eighteen hours a day - basic food, clothing and bedding. No tv, no games consoles, you can have a book, if you have the energy to read after cleaning drains all day.

    That might put a few off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,363 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    These scrotes need to realise you have to work for things if you want them.


    They have it to easy, free house free money etc etc

    If they had to actually go out and work they might stay out of trouble.


    Heard social justice Ireland who are another waste of time advocating for the same social welfare rates for 18-24 year olds as the rest.


    Absolutely bonkers anyone that age isn’t working with the labour shortages at the moment.


    Sure here’s €225 to an 18 year old to scratch their hole all week in a free house with all the free trimmings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    We live in a consequence free society. You can squeeze out a few kids, get paid for them, chuck them out on the street from age 5 to be raised by slightly older ferral children. but then you have to buy them e-scooters and north face jackets to keep them out of your hair so that's your micky money impacted so time to squeeze a few more out to keep up the bags of cans, take aways, false nails, hair and eyelashes while posting on social media about how awfull this government is to you.

    The gardaí avoid roaming gangs of ferral youth (I've literally seen them scamper over to the opposite side of the liffey) and I don't blame them, the gangs can number in the dozens even 100 if you go down to the boardwalk in summer. We've seen the gardaí charged with crimes for chasing thieves who later crash their stolen car and die, if I was a Garda I know I'd do nothing until things changed, you could be locked up for doing your job properly so why do it, fill in a report and go home and nobody cares.

    If the guy who is in intensive care with life changing injuries was in his home country the ferral youth would each be charged with attempted murder and they'd receive anything from 45 years in prison to an execution depending on the location, and the state would be offering them and their families NOTHING but hardship. On the off chance there's an investigation and some arrests the underlings will be let go with a warning and the ring leader will meet with a child psychologist and perhaps go to a child education facility for a month and then be sent back to the streets. The person who spawned him/her (and yes young girls are now also attacking people on the street) will probably be given a SW bonus for the stress and will get paid taxis to visit the spawn for his/her months holiday.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    God, some of these elected officials really are so detached from reality and exist in a completely different world to the rest of us.

    I'd be interested to see what their Facebook feed is like. They seem so far removed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,488 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Leo Varadkar had the gaul to say that some people turn down housing offers and he was attacked mercilessly by all and sundry in the media and opposition, so saying these things publicly is clearly not going to get anyone anywhere, making these issues unlikely to be tackled.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Like these little scumbags are looking to express their creativity or participate in flowering arranging classes. Tone deaf idiots that are detached from reality. The families they come from are probably given more things than basically anybody on planet earth for sitting on their holes. What else do they want?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Some things I have seen in the general area...

    People roaring and shouting at each other up and down Talbot street.

    Two bodies found in the lane behind Wynns Hotel ... it didnt even make the news.

    I saw a woman in the lane behind the pro-cathedral, she was standing up having a #2.

    They need to close off these lanes, or put up gates. I know one lane called Harbour Court is being closed shortly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    A quote from your article "when criminals in Norway leave prison, they stay out".

    There is the difference. Norway sends their scumbags to prison. We don't.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Jim doesn't have a vagina so cannot be given this ministry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    just from recent memory, we've had the Ukrainian actor who was viciously attacked, the cleaning woman from Mongolia who was stabbed and died, and now this American who has been left with critical injuries.

    common factors? all occured within spitting distance of one another in areas infested by drugs/anti-social behaviour.. all assailants will have been before the courts multiple times. all will have drug problems. all will be classified as scumbags. all will be homegrown. all unemployed. all on the rock 'n roll. all from dysfunctional "families".



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,791 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    The Guards are understaffed and more are leaving as it is.

    You would think a minister for justice would be focused on encouraging more people to be Guards and to increase people's safety.

    But her main focus seems to be on pushing in a law that panders to attention seekers who guards will have to waste time on and have less time to actually keep people safe.

    All for a few likes on twitter.

    Would you blame guards for leaving looking at this one.

    How she is in this position I don't know.

    We will get a statement on how we will get tough on crime and then go back focusing on a law to waste guards time and take resources away from focusing on actual real crimes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Single biggest issue here is there are insufficient suitable places of detention available, meaning our judicial system lacks deterrent and is failing to protect its citizens. That manifests itself in inappropriate, lenient or absent sentencing, resulting in the same people with huge numbers of previous conviction being brought repeatedly before the courts. Unless and until we start locking these sort up when convicted, we can continue to expect more of the same.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 569 ✭✭✭Long Sean Silver


    until (and i aint holding my breath) that whole area is cleaned up, then Bord Failte or whoever should warn all tourists/non-Irish that this area is NOT safe, and you really should avoid it. i know when i visited the States as a student, we were told on leaving the hostel do not turn left as that area was not safe. we all took this advice (and apart from one kid) we all got home in one piece.

    at least be honest and admit it. it might just save some other poor soul being attacked or worse.



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