Criminal Justice (Incitement to Violence or Hatred and Hate Offences) Bill 2022 - Read OP

There's a tiny diversity unit with 2 or 3 people. Not a big drain on resources or anything.

Oh, I know 😊 I'm asking that poster does he know, because it doesn't sound like he has a clue about it.

It’s not the role of the Minister to deal with cases like the ones you mentioned though? It’s part of the Ministers responsibility to introduce legislation which may actually be useful in the cases you mentioned, particularly if their nationality were a factor In the commission of the offences.

You're right, I don't. It wasn't a thing when I was there, or was just coming in so I had nothing to do with it, nor do I know what they do that is considered a Garda role. But I do know of other members who had similar extra duties, and within no time they were basically full time doing it so yet another member lost to the everyday work. I can see this going the same way, or it'll become part of the community policing unit in general. I don't know. I left over 7 years ago and have nothing to do with the organisation since.

But I agree with Marcos. So i'll leave it there.

Irish Times has attempted to use research from the Garda Analysis Service. The article says that 19% of assault victims are now foreign nationals and "amid increasing calls for hate crime legislation," the brand new, never before seen research is justification for said legislation.

The IT heavily implies that it's Irish people alone who are targeting foreign nationals simply because they are not Irish. They fail to provide any evidence of the percentage of perpetrators who are assaulting foreign nationals. They also excluded data showing the percentage of crime committed by foreign nationals in Ireland, and they conveniently excluded the ethnicity breakdown of the perpetrators responsible for the crime against Irish people in their own country.

It's been said many times, we already have laws in place to deal with assault. If a person is assaulted and they just so happen to be a foreign national, the law does not change to cater to them. But Helen & Co are dead set on creating a two-tier justice system that is weighted in favor of protected groups and the foot won't be on the scales for Irish people who question any of it

It's all too obvious. Desperate!!

Nah. Nonsense claims about this article.

A: That article is 4 years old. Its definitely not "brand new research"?

B: It has nothing to do with Helen McEntee who wasnt Minister of Justice 4 years ago. Nothing to do with "having the media in her pocket"

C: The article is clear in admitting the data is unclear as to what might or might not be a hate motivated crime.

Whenever someone is handing out leaflets be it political leaflets or religious leaflets you have the choice to take one or nor or engage them in discussion or not, in this Instance by the lads own admission he handed back the leaflet.

You’ve the choice to make a complaint to Gardaí too, which I’ve done in the past.

There could be a possible case there under the incitement to hatred act 1989 so there's nothing for you to oppose

My thoughts exactly. If I'm approached, I say no thanks to any loon like that. The issue is nowadays (and I'm only in my early 40's), we have a generation of perpetually offended who now have upped the ante to the point that they want language that makes them uncomfortable criminalised. Make no mistake about it, this bill will be weaponised by idiots on both sides. Of that there is no doubt. I've casually scanned this thread for a few weeks now and can see exactly why the above will happen.

We have people with diametrically opposing positions as to the need for this Bill (specifically in its current form). Then there is no concensus of how it will be applied. No exact hypothetical scenarios where some one could fall foul of this legislation. Most laws are understood. "I cannot do A or B". With this bill you can be criminalised based on the feelings of another person. You could have religious zealots accuse someone of a crime for belittling their religion because I might say "I hate your religion and everything it represents". On the other side you have trans activists claim the act of banning biological males from competing in female sports as "genocide".

I'm liberal. Have been do my entire life. I've campaigned for LGB rights back in college with my friends, I voted in favour of gay marriage, I voted in favour of a women's right to choose. What I am seeing especially in recent years is a dangerous polarisation of positions. Let's be honest. Most of the loons are on the far right, but the left are not immune to bullshit either.

From what I see now is an all or nothing from the extremes. You either agree with every aspect of their manifesto or the labels are thrown out. The right call you a groomer if you support any type of trans rights, trans medical care or education. The left call you transohobic if you have the opinion that biological males should not compete against biological females in sport. These are just a couple of examples.

Where I'm going with my above rambling is that with the current climate of extreme rhetoric on both sides a poorly defined bill, such as this one, will do nothing but add fuel to the fire.

With no evidence a judge would throw it out of court straightaway.

Tough ****. No one gives a flying **** about what you're personally appalled by - build a bridge... as they say - and that's the way you've said you want it.

The line is crossed though when you start saying factually ambiguously bullshit like "most people think/say/are appalled by...." when you've no idea what most people think/say/are appalled by. Most Irish people find this idea ignorant (see....?) Appealing to the masses is just another logical mistake you seem to enjoy making.

Speaking about the US tourist that was attacked on Talkbot Street McEntee said 'You're not going to be safe all the time' in Dublin city centre. At the start of the week McEntee also said: "There are people in this country who don't want to leave their house because they're afraid. I agree with McEntee to a certain extent but when you put the fear and melodrama being deployed to bolster the legislation into context it pales in comparison to what happened to that man. Maybe McEntee needs to tell those with vested interests that you're not going to be safe from people's beliefs or opinions all the time.

The way she speaks coupled with that glazed look on her face it's as though she's concentrating on what's being said to her via a hidden earpiece whilst having to say it out loud at the same time.