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Oppenheimer (Christopher Nolan)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    Saw it in the Cineworld IMAX in Dublin.

    Wouldn't say I could see anything in the film that shouted it needed any special screen at all really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,729 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Just back from watching it. Not exactly a barrel of laughs. Some great acting and I think it will benefit from a rewatch.

    The more you know about the scientists and the history of the Manhattan project and McCarthyism the more you'll get from it. I know some of it definitely went over my head



  • Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭Big Gerry


    Yeah that screen doesn't impress me at all its not even in the Proper IMAX aspect ratio.

    They shouldn't be allowed to call it "IMAX".



  • Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭Big Gerry




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I know some of it definitely went over my head


    The same here.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    I'd say probably the parts of the film story that tie it together might be the parts that lose some viewers.

    It can work from an emotional and spectacle movie in places and as a whole but also yeah the history, the biography, the politics, the physics, the quantum physics, the differences between physics and quantum physics.. might have it feeling a bit dragged for some viewers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,956 ✭✭✭De Bhál


    Just out from it.

    I should have read a book about the subject as I knew next to nothing. I'd advise even reading his wiki page just to give you something.

    No doubt a great movie if you know the subject matter.

    Long....very long



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 678 ✭✭✭GalwayGaillimh


    will be a possible Oscar for cillian or Rob Downey Jnr...an hour too long...was like watching paint dry for last hour of it...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 834 ✭✭✭staples7




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭ShaneU


    Told my mother I wanted to go see this and found out my great great grandmother's surname was Oppenheimer!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭shrewdness


    Not exactly a barrel of laughs alright, but I found it riveting. Some thought it very long but I didn't find the 3 hrs go by tbh. Would definitely benefit by a rewatch with more of an idea of who is who etc when they're doing the cross-examining. Last hour seems to be fairly divisive but I rather enjoyed it tbh. Obviously it wouldn't have been a surprise to anyone familiar with the subject matter, but the "reveal" of it being Strauss that was the one behind the attempt to bring down Oppenheimer was a surprise to us anyway.

    The performances across the board were fantastic, but especially Murphy and RDJ, would imagine they'll be in the mix come Oscar season. Blunt very good in the 2nd half also.

    That ending would put a chill down your spine, sticks with you for a while.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 813 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    The Dark Knight Rises felt like a very long film for me which is almost 3 hours.

    I can't think of any film that needs to be more than 2 and half hours long.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27 Cpxxc


    Thanks for ruining it! 🤣 My whole family is going to see it on Sunday.


    My 16 Year old is using his birthday voucher to book it. I didn't know he was interested. My wife is asking me what's the story, my youngest is interested in the popcorn.

    I obviously know the story and will enjoy it.

    It's amazing how suddenly it's relevant.

    I always had difficulty trying to explain to post cold war people how nuclear annihilation hung over us 70s and 80s kids.

    Now they'll know and arguably it's more dangerous now.

    For me it's almost nostalgia. But the CCCP was scary but organised. Russia is a rogue unstable terrorist state led by a fascist Dictator.

    WIth nuclear weapons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,530 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Just back for 70mm IMAX showing in BFI, the hype is deserved.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Shelga


    So on 70mm vs 35mm, it means you are seeing more of the action in the shot? It’s higher and wider? Every time a Nolan film comes out, I look at the YouTube videos of The Dark Knight showing 70mm vs 35mm, definite difference alright.

    If the director has shot in 70mm, it’s like the shot has to be chopped at the edges, both tops and sides, to be shown in most cinemas?

    I don’t think I’ll make the IFI as it’s all sold out, and I’m off on holiday on Monday. Are the iSense screens at Odeon cinemas just big screens, basically? Nothing too special by the sounds of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,729 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    There was a climax and then another hour of courtroom drama. I want to watch it again but will wait till it's on streaming



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Going to it tonight. Oppenheimer was part of one of my modules in College. Very excited to see him come alive through Cillian.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,530 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Johnny Ultimate has the perfect post on the format differences on page 7.

    35mm and 70mm in Irish cinemas, not a big difference bar image quality should be significantly better in 70mm and slight difference in aspect ratio, both widescreen and cropped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    There’s no other horses in the same race as IMAX though, is there? It’s a standalone format.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,395 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Just back from seeing it and was worried it would be another Dunkirk but no it is absolutely riveting and a fantastic watch, Cillian should be a nailed on Oscar for his performance. Fantastic supporting cast Robert Downey & Matt Damon are great. Btw I went into this without knowing much about the back story. So a solid 10 of 10 for me, not sure what Nolan does next maybe he will get to do Bond who knows.

    One regret is I'm sorry I didn't see it on w bigger screen as Screen 6 in Vue was ok but not the best



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    For me the greatest movie ever made is ‘there will be blood’ and it has the greatest acting performance ever. How does this film and Cillian Murphy compare??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭accensi0n




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,454 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,855 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    Cool



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,395 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    There will be blood isn't even PT Anderson's best work that would be Magnolia or Boogie Nights in my opinion. As for Day Lewis he really hammed it up in that movie and I didn't like it.

    So I clearly prefer this and think Cillian carries the movie with his acting a lot of which is down with his eyes and facial expressions you can tell what he is thinking or feeling without speaking.

    But we all have our favourites so respect that There will be blood is your favourite.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,923 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    I find it hard to go back to some of Nolan's previous films these days, as I find some of his filmmaking quirks - particularly his propulsive editing style and fondness for brute-force loudness - to be frustrating and even exhausting. I think Dunkirk addressed some of that with its temporal trickery, but Tenet - perhaps his worst film for a plethora of reasons - was maybe the worst offender yet.

    Which is important context, as I think it's exactly that particular style - flaws and all - that makes Oppenheimer work. Indeed, a time-hopping biopic is if anything the perfect fit for Nolan's restless storytelling style. Here, it drives forward and jumps from scene to scene with relentless forward momentum, only really slowing down for some killer extended scenes where everything comes together or simmering tension is allowed to boil over and erupt. Matched with the clever choice to switch between black & white and colour to illustrate the film's two key perspectives, this feels like Nolan turning what has been a filmmaking weakness of his into a strength. The sparing use of expressionistic effects shot is also very well done - beautiful images often staying on screen for just a second as a note of emphasis or warning.

    Ditto his tendency to 'go loud'. This is another film seemingly designed to blow the speakers off, but it does so in a much more elegant way. The dialogue is suitably snappy and speedy, the ideas allowed to overwhelm and overlap. Göransson's soundtrack builds and builds and builds, only for Nolan to suddenly drain sequences of sound completely. The interplay between noise and silence is tremendously well done, and a reminder that good cinematic sound design is often defined by restrained use of total quiet. Oh, and the recurring use of foot-stomping, building up to maybe the film's best scene, is magnificent.

    The film is admirably blunt about the moral contradictions of the story: this is not afraid to call out the unspeakable evil that is the use of the nuclear bomb (the film's biggest villain is almost certainly Harry S Truman), while also embracing the rush of scientific discovery and accomplishment. Of course, the film ultimately is very much in the 'existential dread' camp, but it certainly does get at the humanity behind these momentous and some might say apocalyptic decisions.

    Murphy is of course great, as are most of the ensemble, even those who don't really have much time to do anything. I was almost inclined to say Emily Blunt is underused here, but she has one scene that's so good later on that you're inclined to almost retrospectively forgive Nolan for keeping her on the bench up to that point.

    I can see some of the structural decisions turning people off. This is a long film that becomes almost a second film at the two-hour mark. It takes a while to settle back in, and an already talky film grows even talkier at that point. I think the destination is ultimately worth a somewhat jarring swerve to get there - but it's definitely a big ask at a point when some audience members may be thinking about when they'll get to pee. Also, Nolan doesn't always do subtle - there are moments here it's fair to say are very, very on the nose.

    But overall, I liked it a whole lot - in many ways, the most accomplished and consistent film Nolan has made since a lot earlier in his career. It is, in some ways, an unusual fit for a summer blockbuster - there are a lot of close-ups of people talking in rooms here. But that stuff can look as good as any big action setpiece, and in a way it's refreshing to see Nolan use a big cinematic canvas to tell a story that shifts so seamlessly between the historically monumental and the brutal intimacy of the people making those decisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,932 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    9/10 from me.

    Class performance from Cillian.

    Not a typical Nolan movie but I guess with it being a true story a twist like Memento/Prestige/Inception isn't possible.

    Might go see it again. (Unlimited pass)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,245 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    It's great to see a documovie getting so much praise. Hopefully it will show Hollywood that there is a huge audience there for real life stories grounded in reality after years of so much attention and funding going in to superhero movies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    Cillian Murphy is magnificent. Performance of his career, I'd say.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭Terrier2023


    Good and very close to the original book American Prometheus i liked it & thought it was well done with a good cast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,247 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Saw it this evening and thoroughly enjoyed it, as did the missus. Certainly didn't feel like it was 3 hours in length and for me, personally, i thought the last hour was the best, some really riveting scenes, particularly RDJ's hearing. Cinema was about half full while two other screens simultaneously screening Barbie were sold out🤷‍♂️.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,783 ✭✭✭Aglomerado


    Incredible film. Held my attention from start to finish. Three hours well spent. I hadn't been to the cinema in a long time but I was dying to see this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,298 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    As with all Nolan films, the sound gets a mention. There was one part in particular, when they were preparing for the test, with a tinkling sound like a Geiger counter and something like the spark of a lighter and the sound of burning. It was great for setting the scene and building tension.

    The pace was very good, especially for a three-hour film. I never felt like it was dragging on, though it did drop a bit in the final hour.

    Some stunning performances thrown in. Casey Affleck was menacing and unsettling. He didn't need the characterisation given by Matt Damon; you could feel the nastiness dripping from him. Josh Hartnett was a surprise as well, oddly charming yet serious. Murphy was stunning. He really ran the gauntlet in terms of emotions and as Oppenheimer tried to keep it together. The tasteless speech after Hiroshima just showed the split between what he wanted/thought he need to be and what he was thinking. And the pain in the final shots was harrowing. I wasn't too fond of RDJ tbh, he felt a bit hammy at times and too slick at others.

    Most of all, the whole philosophical consideration and historical context were hammered home. The arms race and the realisation of how this was all going to happen one way or another was scary. I guess Oppenheimer fancied himself as being able to control the whole operation once the bomb was developed but he was just used by the US government to advance the project and tossed aside.

    I always have time for films that make me think and Nolan delivers again. I'm sure I'll come back in the next few days with more thoughts about.

    I didn't think the split story worked too well. The last hour with all the Strauss stuff was a bit slow. I wanted the resolution to Oppenheimer's story but it almost felt like two films and I didn't need so much exposition to get to the reason why, though it does finish well by highlighting Strauss' self-importance when the real important moment was Oppenheimer meeting Einstein. It could have been more subtle and certain ideas were over-used or referred to a bit too much.

    Highly recommend it and wasn't too 'scientific' (I'm hopeless with science so all those technical details go over my head) despite what it's about.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,595 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Gettysburg? There are a couple of bits I think could be trimmed out (mainly involving Chamberlain), but I can't see it working at 2.5 hours.



  • Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    Saw a great cam rip tonight, sound was good once I sorted it out.

    Flicking between different time frames was better than Dunkirk.

    Ciliian Murphy was off the charts good

    The RDJ Strauss was overdone in importance

    Emily Blunt & the commie one were underused

    Missed it's landing, 3.5 stars



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,587 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Great film . Worth the hype ..and the stiff bum :)

    Great to see a proper film that relied on just a good script and acting .

    Loved Cillian Murphy's eyes and expressions , definitely Oscar material.

    Emily Blunt was excellent and loved Kitty .



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Cam Rip?

    F'ing hell. Of all the films.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    imagine having to shout at the tv for the asian lad at the front to sit down

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,603 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Wow.

    What film wouldn't be improved with shonky picture quality, bad sound and dodgy betting ads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,729 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Not as good imo, unless you're a big biopic fan. There will be blood is in a different genre of film



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,923 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    We’ve all got one chance to watch a film for the first time. Choosing to watch a new, wide-release film (that, unlike most major new releases, goes above and beyond to provide the best possible cinematic quality) in the worst possible quality is beyond baffling to me.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,729 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I loved the Feynman scenes. Jack Quaid played him and added some humour



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭santana75


    Saw it last night and i hate to say it but I didnt enjoy it nearly as much as I expected. Nolan just went in a completely different direction with this than I thought he would. It was senate state hearing heavy and I think Nolan made a big mistake going with that angle. The Genesis of the Atomic bomb is an absolutely fascinating story but I feel like there was very little screen Time given to exactly how they made this thing. It was like, get some scientists together in the desert and then.......we're at trinity! A better and more interesting story would've been a race against Heisinberg and his crew. And then show the bombing mission at the end of it all. I feel that was a strange choice not to let the audience see things play themselves out. There was so much room in there for philosophy, for God, for a study of genius but that was all traded in favor of courtroom drama, which wasn't very dramatic because it was security clearance at stake and not a matter if jail. Cillian Murphy is excellent and so is RDJ but I think Emily blunt steals every scene she's in. She is absolutely brilliant. As some have said, it's too long, I mean the build up to trinity was thrilling but then......back to the hearings!!! This was the point where they should've been off to Hiroshima for the bombing mission. They lost the audience at that point, I could literally feel this in the Cinema.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    I don't think the bombing needed to be shown. The film is rooted in Oppenheimer's perspective and he didn't see that happen, he wasn't even formally told about it, he found out the same way as everyone else. I thought it was a good choice to keep that off screen, it serves Oppenheimer's personal story and the film is actually about him, not the bombings per se.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭santana75


    But as a spectacle the film lost momentum at that point. Like I mentioned, you could literally feel people lose interest in the film when they jumped to more hearings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,198 ✭✭✭PressRun


    I think the film could have had about 30 mins shaved off for sure. But I didn't disagree at all with the decision to not show the bombings, I thought it was correct. Oppenheimer didn't see them himself, so it made sense to keep it off screen. Leaving his perspective to show some explosions that he didn't even witness himself would have been jarring imo.

    Obviously the political discrediting and discarding of Oppenheimer post-WWII is a big part of his story, so I'm not surprised the story focused on that. Personally though, I felt it was at its strongest when it focused more on his personal moral crisis around the use of the bomb rather than the political fallout, and I wondered if there was a way of leaning into that without getting heavy into political hearings. Emily Blunt's character has a great line about him trying to get the world to forgive him even though they never will and I thought that got to the truth of his character more than anything and I wanted more of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,298 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    100%.

    I think it also gives more weight because the viewer has their imagination to consider the consequences, instead of being drip fed newsreel images.

    I do agree there could have been more discussion on the philosophy of the whole thing. It seemed like it all started out as a few scientists throwing ideas out there and then getting excited about where that could take them in hypotheticals. Then the military caught wind of it and it all got too real too quick.

    There was one scene where Oppenheimer says something along the lines of 'Theory will only get you so far' when they're discussing the possible chain reaction and 'almost zero' chance of it happening. I think the film showed the difference between the scientists who wanted to explore possibilities and push the boundaries of possibility and the politicians/military who were happy to take responsibility and put those theories into practice and disregarding the humanitarian consequences by wrapping them up in patriotism and justification for war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭2011abc


    Def needed 30 minutes shaved off in the last hour .4.5 stars of Entertainment Ireland is probably about right .Murphy WAS great .But yeah needed less courtroom drama and more science .Host of stars ….



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 29,923 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    There has been a bit of ‘internet disquiet’ in some quarters about not showing the Japanese perspective on proceedings. But, to the film’s credit, it absolutely does not downplay the nature of the bombings. Also, it’s a film with a determined sense of perspective (two, in fact) - the film is aggressively focused on two people who had no first-hand experience of the bomb, and their remove from the practical reality of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings is an important part of their story. It’d break the very form & structure of the film to suddenly add more perspectives in there.

    Also, to use the bombing itself - the mission or the aftermath - in the name of additional spectacle would be a pretty gross and IMO ethically dubious approach to the material. The film is certainly spectacular in some respects, but in a decidedly different and more nuanced way than, say, a Saving Private Ryan or modern spectacle film. Nolan is interested in using the canvas in a more interesting way.

    Japanese filmmakers have spent decades confronting the aftermath of the atomic bomb attacks, in everything from documentary films to genre fare like Godzilla. This is the American side of the story, and to the film’s credit it’s deeply, deeply critical of the stark reality of the decision the Truman administration made. I don’t think anyone could come out of this film feeling anything other than deep horror and sadness at the consequences of Oppenheimer’s ‘creation’. The film does not pull its punches.

    I definitely think the film switches gear quite dramatically and requires a bit of a readjustment quite late into the film. But the destination definitely justified that approach IMO,



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