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Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭148multi


    Don't think putin wanted to invade the eu, he wanted to have influence on it. He has changed a lot in the EU in the last few years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,072 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Thanks to Ukraine.

    If Ukraine had capitulated, we would have an ultra aggressive Putin right up against a hair-trigger Poland, many millions more refugees pouring into Europe. With Transnistria and Moldova next on the chopping block. Leaks have shown his 10 year timeline to absorb Belarus.

    To say Europe is thankful for Ukrainians spilling their blood to destroy Putin's war machine and stop him encroaching further on the continent is an understatement. Like a majority of Europeans I strongly support Ukraine joining the EU.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    I see the Kerch bridge has had another span collapse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Surprised to see Ukraine has only taken back 81 square miles in the last month or so. They've a long road still ahead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    If Russia takes Ukraine, and we have it directly on the EU Border, you can be sure that they can and will cause trouble down the road. Its what they do. How about a little rebellion in East Germany from " ethnic" German-Russians since the Berlin wall time, and an Special Military Operation to save them. or to put it another way, Donbass MK 2. They have spoken openly about this on Russian TV, plus some other states that were stolen from them, inc. Alaska. Mad idea? maybe, but bear in mind that Putin is not normal. Why do yo think that Poland is massively upgrading its military? Finland has joined NATO? its not only in the EU's interests that Putin be stopped, it's in the best interests of the whole world.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    That was not the view back in Feb 2022 though was it? The world did not want to get involved, because it would be going against the 2nd best military in the world. and obviously Ukraine did not stand a chance, so why waste men and resources when Putin was going to win anyway?. And it very nearly worked, didn't it? Only for the stubbornness and the bravery of Ukrainians, an emboldened Putin would possibly have his army at the Gates of Europe now. But aside from the military side of war, Putin is and has been running his internet wars all over the world for a ling time now. Brexit. US elections etc. Not to mention his instigation and funding of Left / Right factions in Country's. Recent problems on the Kosova / Serbia border's and protests in Belgrade ...you seriously think that Putin is not involved in these? And the same thing is happening in many other Country's across the world. Go to any current trouble spot in the world, and the chances are that you will find the Kremlin foot prints all over it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And in the same time frame, how many miles of territory has Vladimir Putin taken? Sure it will take time....taking heavily defended positions are always a problem, and unlike Wagner, Gerazimov. Shoigu etc., Zaluzhny, does not believe in needlessly killing his troops. Instead he's slowly strangling the Russian logistics and supply line's, and thereby, the Russians capabilities to fight. There always been intercepted VIDs from the Russians on the front lines, showing groups of Russian Soldiers complaining about shortages, ill treatment by their officers, not being paid, no home leave unless you pay a bribe. etc. And a very common one has been no ammunition. These intercepted vids have been on the increase recently, with lack of ammunition increasingly more common. So Zaluzhny' s strategy is paying off. Give it time, its early days yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,674 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Russia was interfering in many countries prior to thea Ukraine war. It was trying to annex part of Moldova ( Transnistria), Georgia. It was trying to get Hungary and Serbia into its orbit.

    As well it was involved I. 2-3 conflicts in Africa through the Wagner group. If Putin had succeeded with Ukraine he would have been emboldened to continue his Military ambitions.

    Russia was funding cyber terrorism. Look at the attack.on our own HSE. Interfering in US elections and Brexit.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oh noes, bridge go bang - again, what bridge defence doing? 😄



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    The point made was that Ukraine spilling blood was doing all of us in the Eu a favour by reducing Russia's capabilities.

    Nothing you mentioned there has been effected. Those are all still present.

    Reality is there was never going to be russian tanks rolling into any EU country regardless of what happened in Ukraine.

    So EU isn't being done a big favour by the Ukrainians.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,072 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Reality is there was never going to be russia annexing European territory Russia invading Europe Russia cutting off gas to Europe russia tanks rolling into any EU country

    It just keeps getting modified.

    Thanks to Ukraine's extraordinary defence, Europe and the EU are arguably more united than we've ever been. Now more determined to stand up to Putin rather than to back down every time (e.g. annexation of Crimea, proxy invasion of Donbas, energy blackmail, election meddling, troll factories and disinformation, etc, etc).

    Ukraine has ground down Putin's war machine, exposed and made him weaker on the international stage, set his plans for Europe and it's neighbours back decades. If Ukraine can survive almost intact from all this they'll also be an iron buffer against any future Russian moves in Europe.

    They have significantly weakened Europe's largest threat.

    Even if a few technicals have to be overlooked, I suspect they're very likely to get into the EU.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Stupid of Zelensky to sack the British ambassador when it was his own smart comments that why the problem. Completely his own personal doing with no benefit for the Ukrainian war.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,694 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Extremely childish and something you'd expect of the lad in the Kremlin, listening to a few podcasts lately and the reality on the ground is the Ukrainian offensive is really struggling, the defenses that Surovakin set-up while he was still in-charge are next to impossible to get through without huge casualties and equipment losses, they're also using some tricks like stacking mines 3 high in minefields so when the mine sweepers hit them it's blowing them to pieces as their only designed for single mines, maybe their targeting of ammunition dumps and the Kerch bridge logistic routes will eventually pay off, but I don't think the Russian army is the shambles that its made out to be



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,072 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Due to the success of Kharkiv and Kherson (where there were no heavy prepared defences) some people have assumed or hoped this counter-offensive would be "quick" or "fast", which is not the case.

    The Ukrainians have huge challenges, it's extremely difficult, they have no proper air-cover and have their hands tied behind their back (e.g. they aren't allowed to go into Russia and around the defences to attack in the rear). I'm actually surprised they are making the progress they are considering the defences they are facing.

    The Russian military is pretty sub-standard, but they have quantity, which they use to their advantage. Defenders in a prepared defensive position basically have a 3 to 1 advantage, and the Russians are sitting behind layers of mines. The question is, how long can the Russian military keep this up, the pressure, the constant moving of reserves behind the lines, their growing issues with supplies, wearing down of their equipment, their troops not receiving leave, etc.

    Some of the responses to the counter-offensive are genuinely bizarre. It's a war, no one has a crystal ball, Ukraine, for morale purposes, has to be optimistic, everyone knows this. Yet still we get some views that almost seem "annoyed" the counter-offensive is going as well as they thought it would.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,072 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Ukraine didn't commit the bulk of it's forces, it's so far been conducting probing attacks.

    There have been widespread views that any counter-offensive for Ukraine after winter would be very challenging, however some individuals, known for rooting for Ukraine to fail, have been keen to point out the lack of progress.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Time is running out for them to commit the bulk of their forces. Otherwise not much chance of anything significant changing over winter and we're into another year of this. And if they couldn't make inroads this year why will they be able to make inroads next year?

    So increasingly it seems to be the question can they actually commit a big force without getting slaughtered and losing very large amounts of equipment in a very short time?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,072 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    We don't know. It's entirely up the Ukrainians. They won't commit a bulk of forces if it's too risky.

    The window for a strong counter-offensive is probably until around September or so, the mud season. After that we just have to see how it evolves. This could go on for years. The Ukrainians obviously don't want that, but they don't have many choices.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    It's all up to the Ukrainians what they do. But we don't have to be supplying them with cash endlessly.

    The cash being donated by both the EU and US is arguably every bit as important as weapons. Without it their currency implodes and what's left of their economy will crumble, not sure if their society could weather that effectively.



  • Registered Users Posts: 473 ✭✭Ramasun


    They won't have a society if Russia has it's way.

    Ireland doesn't contribute very much towards Ukraine but it will cost a lot more to defend the Baltic states and Poland if Russia isn't stopped now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 538 ✭✭✭1373


    Russia is stuck in a corner of Ukraine and retreating daily against a country that was unready for war , doubt they'll be heading into a military superpower like Poland anytime soon . I'd reckon putin would never have invaded Ukraine if he knew how disastrous it would turn out for russia



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,072 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Putin is at war with Europe. None of this is going to "go away" if we try to ignore it or stop funding. Which is why European countries have pledged support for years.

    Putin is on his own clock as well. He had banked heavily on Europe losing interest/withering/fracturing by this point.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    putrid would never have known, for the same reason his army is so shite, criminality and lies.

    The future danger is that a non criminal ultra nationalist takes power and reconstructs ruzzian armed forces. The ruzzian mafia state has been a double edged sword for Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,072 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Tanks are rolling into Ukraine, but he's indirectly also at war with Europe.

    He can't use bombs directly on the rest of Europe (for now) so he uses energy, food supplies, etc as a weapon. Russian state TV talks daily about attacking European countries and nuking European cities. Unmarked Russian ships are probing our seas for weaknesses in e.g. undersea cables. Russia planes test European air defense responses times. Russian state backed hackers cause chaos where they can. Then there's the constant information war, the election meddling, the propaganda.

    Much of which is part of the doctrine to divide and fracture Europe, in order to further his aggressive expansionist goals for Russia.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If you can't stand the heat, get out of Ukraine




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    If we want to keep Putins murderous hordes back and away from Europe, then you can be damn sure that the cash will have to keep flowing, because if Putin succeeds, it will cost a lot more than money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Putin and Russia has had a 1300km border with Europe where no conflict has occurred since WW2.

    The Ukranian EU border issue is only a bogeyman.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,538 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Would NATO have had anything to do with that I wonder??? I guess you haven't heard Soloyuv, Simonyan etc. speaking about their vision of the future of Russia. Which not only includes Europe,( East Germany will be reclaimed, of course) but even so far as Alaska, which was criminally and illegally stolen from Russia. Lots of illegal transactions to be rectified, once Ukraine has been restored to its rightful position within Russia, under Vladimir Putin.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    It's all just hot air. They don't have the means to invade EU.



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