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Nigel Farage cries persecution, nobody wants to be his banker after ties to Russia

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭Shoog


    So Coullts stating it to be true isn't good enough for you.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    No.. They Didn't and they have nothing to apologise for.

    He IS "Insufficiently wealthy" - Clearly you still haven't read the Coutts document that Farage himself published which clearly states that Farage did not have sufficient funds to meet the "Economic Contribution" requirements to hold an account with Coutts once his Mortgage was cleared - Which it was several months ago.

    Why do you continue to cling to this fallacy??

    A fallacy that has been confirmed by Nigel Farage himself??



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,510 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    They aren't even in the top 100

    would you like to revise the statement pulled from a hat or orifice that they are one of the worlds top banks



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No, that was not the reason. You're cherrypicking a statement from a 40-page document and spinning it as the reason his account was closed.

    Look, even staff who worked at the BBC -- who pushed the false story more than most -- have apologised for their inaccuracy in their reporting.




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭Shoog


    So you are sticking to your position that Coutts are lying about Farage falling below their wealth limits after his mortgage ended ?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What was released to the public about his private finances was both morally wrong and inaccurate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭Shoog




  • Registered Users Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    It's quite clear that Farage wasn't dropped simply because of his political views or the public perception of them. If that were the issue he would have been dropped years ago.

    It's also not the case that he was dropped simply because, after many years of meeting the bank's economic contribution criteria, he has now dropped below them. This happens with many Coutts customers; they are not normally dumped when it does.

    It's the combination of the two things that led to this decision; neither on its own would have led to it. It's impossible to read the 40-page dossier which has been published and not understand this.

    Rapidash is simply wrong when he has that the story about Farage dropping below the economic contribution criteria is false. He links to various tweets in support of his claim but, when you read them, none of them actually support his claim. The Coutts dossier, whose authenticity is not in doubt, directly refutes it.

    However it is true that, despite falling below the criteria, Farage would probably not have been dropped if it were not for his political notoriety. That does raise questions about the power of corporations and the rights of political expression. But, despite their importance, neither Farage nor his supporters in this thread seem interested in exploring those questions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,510 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Nothing in that $8 tweet evidences any apology for reporting he was falling below the contribution limit when his mortgage expires.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I have repeatedly raised questions about "the power of corporations and the rights of political expression".

    What we are witnessing is remarkable in that the greatest defenders of Coutts are coming from the political left.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭Shoog


    I am interest in what motivates someone to deny a plain and simple fact - repeatedly - even when the evidence was supplied by the person he is attempting to defend. That's some brass neck.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,577 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,510 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It is you that are "cherry-picking"

    They were willing to put up with him for as long as he was paying back the Mortgage and they were making money , but once that mortgage was gone he was no longer worth the hassle.

    As has been said in this thread multiple times - It's a simple cost benefit analysis

    On one side you have a customer who is an insufferable arsehole who's association with the bank potentially risks other revenue streams and then on the other you have the money that customer generates for the Bank. As as long as the money coming in was more than the costs of having him as a customer, all was ok.

    As soon as the money stopped coming in though , the equation no longer worked so they cut him loose.

    The evaluation of that Cost/Benefit analysis is displayed in great detail in the document that Farage himself released.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭Shoog


    Who is defending Coutts, I am simply clarify facts and disputing those who would seek to obfuscate them. As I stated earlier this may well bring down Coutts as a viable bank - which I applaud.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,069 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I’ve tried to distill the argument to Farages defenders and this is what I’ve got:

    ”If Coutts can refuse services to Farage, they can refuse services to anyone!”

    *shocked pikachu face*



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭Shoog




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why do you think the dossier repeatedly mentions his political views?

    And no, Farage was not dropped due to money.




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,622 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Quoting selectively gets you nowhere, everyone can read the document:

    "The relationship has been below commercial criteria for some time and upon review of Nigel's past public profile and connections, the perceived risks for the future weighed against the benefit of retention the decision was taken to exit upon repayment of an existing mortgage."

    But again, without running, deflecting or spinning away, do you, rapidash, think that businesses should be allowed to choose who they do custom with or not?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭Shoog




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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,577 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Do you think it is ok for energy providers or water companies to be allowed to do business with whoever they want. Do you think it is ok to cut off someone's electric because of their political views ?

    What about a supermarket refusing to sell you food because you voted the opposite to what they believe ? They are businesses also.

    The interesting things to come from all this is when the banks receive the thousands of requests and are obliged to give the reasons why it has happened to many others. It is not just about Farage, he has brought it into the spotlight, how deep it goes will be far more interesting.

    This dinner thing will have to come out also, if people passed information over to a journalist about someone's private bank accounts is true then it is really serious.

    More people getting involved, look's like they have dug a huge hole for themselves now.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,625 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    More gaslighting. Private banking is a luxury. Just because a certain parasite is not eligible for it does not equate to being denied the basic necessities of life.

    Pathetic.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,069 ✭✭✭McFly85


    You can’t present a document as irrefutable proof while ignoring the bits you don’t like.

    He was commercially viable while he was paying off his mortgage. Then he wasn’t.

    The risk review noted that his publicly known relationship with Coutts as well as his political reputation of being a xenophobic racist grifter represented too much operational risk. This is something that isn’t nearly as controversial as some would make out btw - it’s not like these are some passing thoughts or a few texts from years ago - he makes his living blaming immigrants, the EU or whoever for anything he think will rule up his base.

    He wasn’t de-banked, the bank didn’t close his swanky account purely because of what his political opinions are. Everything he’s said about the situation has been misinterpreted from him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭Shoog


    A business has financial criteria to ensure the costs of servicing a customer are met by the profits from that customer. Beyond that a company can take on a loss leader to draw in more profitable custom.

    Farage is neither a profitable customer or an attractive loss leader. The rules applied are clearly stated in the company application process and no rules were broken and Coutts have in no way stepped outside of the law. They used the discretion afforded them by their customer service rules.

    Really this is a none story, another pathetic skirmish in the rights rearguard culture wars. It is playing badly with the majority of the public and will further erode the credibility of the right in the UK.

    The fact that NatWest have not reinstated Farages account should tell you everything you need to know about the legal jeopardy that Coutts feels under - follow the money to understand the real story here.

    The right have had a clear run at proving themselve superior leaders and have pissed it all away in short sighted decisions and corruption. The only shame is that the public will forget and they right will rise again.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,625 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    To summarise:

    1. Nigel Farage banked with high end private bank Coutts
    2. The bank decided to remove his account when he failed to meet their eligibility criteria because they decided that he wasn't worth keeping on due to his history of spreading disinformation about Ukraine, vaccines, climate change as well as trying to foment racial hatred
    3. Farage, true to form, lied to everyone by pretending this was about his political views when if that were the case he would have been denied an account to begin with
    4. Farage was offered a normal account with NatWest but this wasn't good enough
    5. Some posters are now acting as if luxury banking is a basic necessity like food and water which, considering Ireland's history, is quite distasteful

    I think that's about it. Almost a thousand posts in and people are still regurgitating his lies verbatim....

    Once again:

    To say nothing of this sort of deranged ****:


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭Shoog


    I like to debate by analogy and here is one. Say I was a socialist mural artist and I was approached for by a patron and asked to paint a mural of Hitler giving the nazi salute in Berlin. Should I be compelled to accept and if I did do you think it would do "reputational damage" to my career.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,444 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    So what is the bank apologising for and conducting internal reviews about?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,955 ✭✭✭Shoog




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,069 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I would say it’s more for the regulators than Farage tbh. A full investigation makes them seem proactive for upcoming regulations.

    The decision to close his account will be upheld though because ultimately without them making money off him, he does represent too much risk to them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 41,062 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    This is comedy gold. You are posting crap about banks being socialists and soviet apparatchiks.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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