Cost of a United Ireland and the GFA

You are being incredibly simplistic in that analysis. We can spin this any way we wish and I’d rather not join you in that. But I could claim (I won’t) that anyone who says anything other than Irish only is accepting themselves as different and separate from roi residents. I guess no one in roi would say they are Irish and northern Irish. The person who says they are Irish and ni are probably very close to me who would say I am British and ni

The ROI and NI are mutally exclusive jurisdictions. How can you be from two jurisdictions??? If you're from the ROI you can't be from NI and vice versa.

Ok you might not make a great inference from peoples identity and what way they would vote in a BP. But you can extrapolate from the above that irish only will be the highest identity by the next census. Even if the rate of growth of Irish halved on the previous census and the rate of decline of British also halved, Irish only will still be the highest identity.

I find it interesting how abstract the concept of wanting a Ui is.

I am bombarded with questions on here by republicans about unionist identity, culture, about why we would still want to belong to the Uk, etc, etc. I wear my colors pretty much on my sleeve and do my best to answer questions. Sometimes clumsy, sometimes the inevitable contradictions, sometimes my sectarianism seeps out, etc, etc. but I answer the questions with integrity.

I have asked one question today ie why do you personally want these two jurisdictions to unite and to prioritise your reasons. I could give you a multiple choice list to choose from but I don’t want to influence.

not one single person has even attempted to answer the question.

so I guess my second question today is, what does this reluctance to answer the question tell us? Have southerners not actually thought it through? Do they really give a toss?

Stop pretending you havent gotten answers.

I sent you a load of opinions that align with mine reasons.

I have never read you tell us why you want to keep getting lied to by Tories and used in their power games. is a nebulous ‘diverse UK’ worth that? A diverse UK seems to be the only thing you champion.

Not only did they sell you out on the Anglo Irish Agreement etc they did it on the Irish Sea border and are doing it right now on the WF.

I can understand why the British identity is falling in number. Who in their right mind would want that for themselves and their children

No. I said some of the contents of the article tallied with my reasons, And some of it will tally with others reasons.

Take it or leave it.

I am not trying to convince you.

Add to that that the NI identity is not a homogeneous one politically.

I.E. They will want different constitutional outcomes.

This has been quite a revelation for me and I’ll not project what you are saying unto the others who have yet to speak.

maybe this is why ni has survived against all odds. Any unionist I know, if I was to ask them why they wanted ni to remain in Uk, would immediately talk passionately about their reasons. Hey, they won’t all agree exactly and every single reason may not fit neatly together or be heavily researched, but they have clear reasons, stuff that they believe is in the realms of life and death, and also loads of ordinary stuff just around quality of life.

it seems United irelanders don’t have this - if in fact United irelanders truly exist. I am really beginning to wonder. The idea seems so abstract, woolly and indeed unimportant to most.

so help me understand where your wish comes from even. eg Is it head or heart?

here’s one of the lead contributors again from francies document:

”Why is a united Ireland desirable?

Of course, there is an emotional attachment to a united Ireland that so many of us share that we cannot put into words. To want to reunite our country isn’t something we necessarily should have to justify, we desire it because it is a natural and desirable concept.” 😂🤔

The more I read francies doc it seems so many are implying that a Ui could be the solution to the failures of roi. They point to a utopian state. Maybe they should first turn their wee country into this land of milk, honey and equality, and then invite us to the party.

show us how you look after the homeless. How you can use your £10b surplus to build affordable housing and provide free healthcare to your people. How you can look after eg the travelling community. Separating church and state, compensating those that suffered at their hands, etc, etc, etc

seems a new Ui will be all of the above. Forgive me for wondering why it is not that now and why you need us to fix it.

How about this downcow?

Because the division of Ireland to create a free country and a rump of unionist majority was nothing more than a massive gerrymander on a large scale by a foreign oppressor. And we want that foreign power gone from our shores to allow all people living here to get on with their lives free of any foreign oppression.

What could be achieved in healthcare alone would make a UI worth it.

There is without doubt huge problems in both healthcare systems. They are outlined here fairly comprehensively and I don't think any of us can deny the problems that exist and will get worse.

You might disagree with the vision here or aspects of it, but one thing is clear - an all island health system makes eminent sense.

IF-An-Opportunity-for-a-World-Class-All-Island-National-Health-Service-An-Irish-National-Health-Service-1.pdf (irelandsfuture.com)

A below 50% and falling trend is 'so strong'? That's a bit of a stretch.

That was never the question I asked. I asked for people’s personal reasons for wanting a Ui. Not a document full of waffle and every conceivable aspiration.

Can you imagine how fast that trend would move if you created this utopia and then invited us to join?

As somebody who believes in a UI, I don't think either system can be 'fixed'. It requires root and branch change.

A UI presents an ideal opportunity to do that.

This thread should be renamed “try to convince and indoctrinated bigot the benefits of a United ireland”.