Cost of a United Ireland and the GFA

We’ve been told that for generations. What you are not factoring in is that young people are more radical and open to change. Then they get a career, partner, mortgage, kids, grandkids and their appetite for radical change subsides and the safe status quo becomes their preferred option. Tv and slippers

I know it is unfortunate for republicans but it’s fact.

What matters jh79 is that in a BP people will be voting for a comprehensive Plan for a UI.

It is mind boggling that you continue to ignore the impact an actual Plan will have.

It is a game changer, as we saw in the Scottish case.

*What I meant was support for Unionism as political ideology is falling.

Seems to me it is falling and not going back up. Maybe young people are staying young? 😁

If there is a cost at all? I thought NI was a failed statelet?

If that was truely the case those in favour of unity wouldn't be so afraid of producing a plan. SF already got burned with the Hubner report.

Is it a failed statelet from an economic perspective?

That’s a wee bit offensive. I have steered well clear of any of the slugging since the advice from the moderator and I have focused on Ui.

but hey, if calling for the thread to be closed because you don’t like the question floats your boat, then fair enough.

Deafening silence on why people want a Ui?

Yes, that’s very helpful. And yes I was meaning why you wanted it rather than reasons to convince me.

dare I say there is a fair few of the reasons ‘why you don’t want to continue in the Uk’. Understandable as unionists would probably give reasons for not wanting to be in a Ui.

I think the positive reasons you are giving are economic and identifying with northerners.

i get the economic stuff - though of course we would disagree on it.

as for identifying with the rest of people on island, how would that be improved by a Ui? And surely as the two parts grow closer and closer now that we have relative peace, that becomes less and less important.

while I got abuse from some for asking the question, your answers have got me thinking. Surely achieving a Ui would be much easier if we did discover what each wanted. There may be a model that meets most of what everyone wants. Eg I don’t see a devolved n Ireland getting in the way of your wishes and maybe other stuff my community would want would also be ok with you.

I think the question could be put more generally. Why does any nation of people want to live in one jurisdiction?

I think the reasons would be.

1. The jurisdiction would make laws etc based on what best fits that nation

2. There would be no physical border or impediments on movement of the nation.

3. The nation wont be influenced by laws that are best suited to a foreign nation etc.

The GFA got rid of piont 2. When it comes to NI technically a functioning stormont should take out point 1 and somewhat 3. Also being part of the EU which has many benifits will always mean Ireland will have comprimise and influence from outside of the jurisdiction

Unfortunately NI is a failed jurisdicition. Majority rule doesn't work and power sharing isn't working. I would have thought it would be of more interest for a unionist party to see a functioning stormont as it would make calls for a change to a more functioning jurisdiction such as a UI lower.

T'would be very compelling if not for the fact that it isn't just Unionists who make up, 'OWC'. It would be a reasonable argument if we weren't discussing Unification with the explicit consent of the majority of those in NI.

Perhaps it is tough for someone of British extraction to switch off the colonial mindset and think beyond conquest.

We've already established pretty convincingly that there are no conditions under which you would be in favour of Unification though, so what you think is a strong reason is ultimately irrelevant.

I take Dowcow has handed his account over to a friend or family member.

"who is the irish nation"? People who's national identity is irish? There is irish all around the world. But they will have some connection to Ireland whether they're from cork or belfast.

"You also want to rip my nation apart"

Are you only part of the British nation? No national identity to Ireland? Ignore st patricks day. Are you part of church of Ireland too but still no connection to Ireland? Will you stop being British if there is a UI? I have never met a person from Scotland, saying they're not Scottish just British. Same with the English and welsh. This just seems to something that happens in Ireland due to the 20th sectarian dived that which manifested after partition. Even under british tradition being a nation of nations irish was one of them. Ireland joined the union in 1801. That is how you live with in the union today. So pretending you having nothing or no connection with Ireland just makes you sound like a bigot.

You living in a UI is the equivalent of a Scottish person who voted remain living in a independent Scotland.

But it is binary. Either the irish nation will live in two jurisdictions or the British nation will. A BP will come down to which people think is better for them. It wont change their identity.

Nonsense. If you got them to truly unite with Ireland then you could have same laws etc. geography is no bar to being a nation state.

the truth is you think you deserve to own OWC even though it’s been British for centuries. If all the nations across the world applied your policy it would be chaos

I never mentioned enclaves. Surely you don’t intend have enclaves in ni. I am simply pointing out that if one’s reason for uniting Ireland is to unite the Irish nation, then you are missing a big bit

But all these arguments can be counteracted with the same logic

If there is no need for UI because so many irish people dont live in Ireland then whats your beef with not living within the UK jurisdiction

You're arguments seems to be why on earth would irish people want to live in one jurisdiction but you cant remove NI from the UK as you're "ripping up my nation"

As said before for the same reasons you want to live within the union, many people want to live within a UI.

I have said I will accept a Ui vote. I won’t like it and I will agitate for as much autonomy as possible in a Ui arrangement.

i also think there r we oils be a significant movement of people which would be sad.