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Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    That's called undertaking not overtaking and is illegal in Ireland as he would be using the same lane not just going slightly faster than someone in a different lane

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    The bicycle at the front is for safety not speed, come on do you really believe in the things you are saying, have some cop on.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭Allinall


    How is it safer for a cyclist to be in front of a car rather than behind it when both are travelling in the same direction?

    That doesn't make any sense.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    Wow, just wow. Its so the car/truck/bus can see them and ensure that they get across the junction safely and not squeezed to the left side of the road! Did I really have to say that or is there any common sense going on?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭Allinall


    If the bike is behind the car, there is no need for them to be seen.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    In fairness. In this instance he could have just stayed behind the car at the first lights.


    Slot in there behind him in the middle of the lane and advance in primary position till the next stop.


    Being entitled to filter to the top, does not mean you have to.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Schorpio


    Yep, I could have stayed behind, but I didn't. Both options were available to me, and I made a choice. There was no right/wrong decision there.

    Again, this post seems to be suggesting that, by filtering to the front, I somehow antagonized the driver and had a hand in the close passes. Even if a driver is antagonized, that in no way excuses how the passed me.

    Cycling is in a very sorry state if people are genuinely taking the stance that 'the driver was annoyed, so the cyclist deserved it'.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Schorpio


    Well, that's you, but it's definitely not me.

    I still think it's bloody brilliant to see more and more people - of all ages and abilities, and on bikes of all shapes and sizes - getting around the city. I am firmly of the opinion that everyone needs to feel safe and encouraged on their bikes, and that starts with cyclists looking out for other cyclists. I'd never have words with any cyclist for being too slow.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭Wildly Boaring


    No

    Not saying you deserved it.

    Or that annoyed drivers have carte blanche.


    I'd just not have bothered creating another overtake requirement

    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭McGrath5


    Anyone using the cycle lane going by Marley Park opposite the Lidl, please be careful. Guys working on the concert venue are flying in and out with no care taken, had a near miss on Tuesday evening but thankfully I was going a bit slower than I usually would.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,308 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Awful, particularly as they have security guy on that specific gate out of the park, who should be managing things.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Any point referring to the council as surely they had to do a traffic management plan.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,308 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    If I had a good video showing a truck pulling out in front of a cyclist, it might help to shame then into action. I can't see them taking any serious action based on an email complaint. Maybe one of the local Green councillors might help.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I was thinking more the council themselves rather than councillors, who let them do this work based on a license. Might be worth doing, maybe not but it might spook the contractor into behaving if they think the council are checking up on them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Schorpio


    More reckless driving on my commute this morning.

    First a Dairygold lorry honks, and narrowly overtakes me against an oncoming vehicle. Followed in quick succession by a van squeezing by me.


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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Personally I'd be positioned much further into the lane. I find it prevents 99% of close passes as they no longer try to squeeze through

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭standardg60


    That's brilliant to hear, weird that she wouldn't accept liability for not checking 'the other lane', ie the cyclist's one, was clear.

    On the plus side i'm seeing more and more drivers check to the left of standing traffic before proceeding with their turn right.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,537 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    They're must be a natural law that says if you're a regular bike cam user and your camera isn't recording for some reason then drivers will respond by endangering you more than usual. The number of left hooks and illegal right turns while nearly taking me out has jumped since my Fly12 mount snapped during the week.

    Gone through 2 now, can't bring myself to pay €25 + delivery for yet another s***ty piece of plastic that won't last 6 months.

    Post edited by magicbastarder on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭p15574


    Must be a compatible mount you can order a few from AliExpress?

    If I don't have my bike cam I feel extraordinarily vulnerable for some reason. Have used footage twice to prove motorists were lying.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,537 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    It's keyed so it doesn't fit the common Garmin mount, but good idea didn't think to try there.

    Yeah feeling very cautious going out at the moment.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭tnegun



    How old is the camera? I got a few under warranty from them and am on my second camera and my 3rd or 4th mount now they only last about 7-8k km. It's a known issue with them so don't take any crap from them about you over-tightening them and ask for a warranty or goodwill replacement.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭TheHouseIRL


    Sometimes, even taking the lane isn't enough. This old codger simply had to get in front, despite oncoming traffic

    https://streamable.com/xewudu

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Was he on his phone or a bit drunk, that sudden jolt like he just woke up.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭TheHouseIRL


    I interpreted it as him telling me I should be in the bike lane (yes, the same bike lane that someone had parked in). No sign of a phone or impairment when I caught up to him, aside from the usual carbrain impairment.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭Sono Topolino



    I've said it before and I'll say it again - "1.5 metres" is not written anywhere in our law. The legislation requires the motorist not to endanger you, and you haven't proven that he did. Furthermore, there was a cycle lane just beside you!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭Sono Topolino


    Yes - the lane was obstructed further ahead. Not at the point at which the cyclist was overtaken.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,431 ✭✭✭DaveyDave


    1.5m distance and cycle lane aside, keeping a safe distance from the curb would put them at the very least on the line of that cycle lane. It being a narrow enough road would make me move out a bit more to make it clear you're not squeezing past.

    Even if you did use the cycle lane it's smart to stay out because there's a second car obstructing the lane that you have to pass. Going in again just forces you to stop because cars will squeeze past.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭TheHouseIRL


    I made no mention of a 1.5m distance, but continue having conversations in your own head if you wish.


    I notice you made a very selective reference to the Road Traffic Act with regard to overtaking. For the sake of completeness, let's take a look at the full statement that you've extracted from:


    10. (1) A driver shall not overtake, or attempt to overtake, if to do so would endanger, or cause inconvenience to, any other person.

    (2) A driver shall not overtake, or attempt to overtake, unless the roadway ahead of the driver—

    ( a ) is free from approaching traffic, pedestrians and any obstruction, and

    ( b ) is sufficiently long and wide to permit the overtaking to be completed without danger or inconvenience to other traffic or pedestrians.


    Now, would you like to consider again whether the driver in question caused inconvenience or danger to me or the oncoming traffic (notwithstanding the fact that he performed the overtake into oncoming traffic, a direct violation of 2a)?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 509 ✭✭✭Sono Topolino



    But this thread is about cyclists having near misses with cars, so the oncoming traffic is not relevant. Also, it's clear that if you had been in the cycle lane he would not have had to overtake into oncoming traffic. It's not clear at all to me from the video that he inconvenienced or endangered you. The reason I made reference to 1.5m is that there is a widespread misconception that it is the law of the land (largely through the actions of the Road Safety Authority and various cycling lobby groups trying to construe it as such). The government in fact considered specifically legislating for 1.5m, but decided it was unfeasible given how narrow many of our roads are. As such, the only rules that drivers must observe are in passing cyclists are:

    1. the driver must not force the cyclist to reduce speed or take evasive action;
    2. the driver must not make physical contact with the cyclist/bike frame.

    You can certainly argue that the close pass "endangered you", but the driver would undoubtedly argue (and An Gárda Síochána generally tend to agree with this argument) that as they did not force you to reduce your speed or take evasive action (to avoid a collison), and they did not make contact with you/your bike frame you were not actually in danger. The burden of proof is on you to prove that you were in danger and unfortunately you have not done so. Again, An Gárda Síochána assess "endangering cyclists" based on the following objective metrics:

    1. whether the cyclist reduced speed/took evasive action
    2. whether or not the actions of the driver resulted in a collision (however minor).

    Close passes that do not feature the above hallmarks remain legal. 1.5m is still an unenforceable "guideline" because the legislature considers it (for now at least) to be unrealistic. Should this change? The government certainly does not think so (despite a Green Party TD being minister for transport). I would also argue (as An Garda Síochána and even the Road Safety Authority has in the past) that if you are not comfortable having close encounters with drivers you can always choose routes with protected cycle lanes, and use cycle lanes (whether or not they are protected) where they are available.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭TheHouseIRL



    Right, so what you're saying is that I forced him to overtake into oncoming traffic, causing danger and inconvenience to both the oncoming drivers as well as myself?

    As others have already pointed out, cyclists are not required to use cycle lanes where provided except in very specific circumstances. In this case, the only road users who have violated the Road Traffic Act are the driver who overtook into oncoming traffic, and the driver who parked in a 24 hour clearway.

    As for the overtake inconveniencing me, I did have to reduce my speed and alter my line.

    Can you cite where in the Road Traffic Act you sourced your statements about drivers only requirements being to "not force the cyclist to reduce speed or take evasive action" or "not make physical contact with the cyclist/bike frame"?

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